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Re:Cambridge's Ambitious Protected Bike Lane Law by wtetzner on Thursday April 11, 2019 @01:26PM (#19636955)
I think he means most people don't live close enough to the city that they could reasonably ride a bike to get where they need to go.
Re:Cambridge's Ambitious Protected Bike Lane Law by atoav on Thursday April 11, 2019 @02:43PM (#19637828)
That is why you have park & ride concepts and trains. In many european cities you have places just outside the city where you can park your car or hop of and take your bike and take the last mile by bike or public transport.

Having all your commuters drive their car into the city is not at all a good idea. I lived for years at one heavy intersection in one of Germanys biggest cities and I can tell you, if you watch the traffic for half an hour you will see maybe one or two cars with more than one person in them.

I moved from their because the dust and the noise were having a huge impact on my health.

I don't think it is about banning cars from city centers totally. It is about finding acceptable solutions that work without forcing people. Encourage them. Have a working public transport system. Make it cheap. Make it so cheap that driving a car will cost you. Include all problems cars cause in a urban space in some kind of toll or tax.

Re:Cambridge's Ambitious Protected Bike Lane Law by wtetzner on Thursday April 11, 2019 @04:42PM (#19638969)
Park & ride is a fine idea, but Massachusetts needs to invest in that sort of infrastructure before it will become viable for commuters.

Currently there's the commuter rail, which is hard to get to from many areas, is quite expensive, and doesn't run very frequently. It's not good enough to get people to stop driving.

Re:Cambridge's Ambitious Protected Bike Lane Law by jessaustin on Thursday April 11, 2019 @08:27PM (#19640724)
If the commuter rail is not convenient they could park at the end of the T, e.g. Alewife, BC etc.
Re:Cambridge's Ambitious Protected Bike Lane Law by gregmac on Thursday April 11, 2019 @09:36PM (#19641138)
But now they need to pay for the car anyway, so you're left balancing the comparatively small cost of parking + extra gas + extra mileage against inconvenience of switching transit methods + cost of transit.

There's many other factors, too, which could influence things in either way: total time spent commuting, whether you hate crowded spaces and prefer to sit alone in your car, whether you can be productive (eg: phone call, working on laptop, doing email on phone etc) or want to be able to read.

Re:Cambridge's Ambitious Protected Bike Lane Law by TulliusCicero on Thursday April 11, 2019 @03:11PM (#19638118)
But can they bike from a train station in the city? Can they bike around the suburb they live in? Yes, they probably can.
Re:Cambridge's Ambitious Protected Bike Lane Law by cannonedhamster on Thursday April 11, 2019 @03:44PM (#19638406)
Can they find a parking spot in the train station? No, no they can't.
Re:Cambridge's Ambitious Protected Bike Lane Law by TulliusCicero on Thursday April 11, 2019 @04:27PM (#19638826)
Many suburbs in Europe are set up with either lots of parking at the station, or such that people even in the suburb are within walking/biking distance of the station. I can show you examples if you're interested.
Re:Cambridge's Ambitious Protected Bike Lane Law by wtetzner on Thursday April 11, 2019 @04:43PM (#19638980)
I don't think it's a problem that can't be solved. But Massachusetts needs to invest in that infrastructure before it will become viable. Just making the city more navigable by bikes doesn't solve the problem.
Re:Cambridge's Ambitious Protected Bike Lane Law by amanaplanacanal on Thursday April 11, 2019 @08:13PM (#19640636)
> Massachusetts needs to invest in that infrastructure

And that is the crux of the problem. Cities across the US don't have enough funding to maintain the infrastructure they currently have, let alone try to build anything new. Their only hope is to get a grant from the state or federal government.

None of this is sustainable.

Re:Cambridge's Ambitious Protected Bike Lane Law by TulliusCicero on Friday April 12, 2019 @07:43AM (#19643898)
If you always wait for complementary infrastructure, you'll never do anything. Sometimes a half-assed compromise is just an intermediary step on the way to a full-assed solution.