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Re:Julian Assange arrested in London by isostatic on Thursday April 11, 2019 @06:39AM (#19632849)
He was before he ran to the embassy, skipping bail, on the pretext that if the UK extradited him to Sweden, Sweden would extradite him to the U.S.

That's an invalid pretext.

Re:Julian Assange arrested in London by celticninja on Thursday April 11, 2019 @08:43AM (#19633805)
Umm, given that upon his arrest by the UK police the US government requested his extradition before the Swedish government did, I would say that invalid pretext was neither invalid or a pretext.
Re:Julian Assange arrested in London by icebraining on Thursday April 11, 2019 @08:16AM (#19633590)
Scotland Yard just confirmed the validity of that invalid pretext.
Re:Julian Assange arrested in London by rndgermandude on Thursday April 11, 2019 @06:49AM (#19632915)
Why is that invalid?
Re:Julian Assange arrested in London by OlleTO on Thursday April 11, 2019 @07:20AM (#19633105)
He was in the UK for two years after leaving Sweden before he entered the embassy. Had he really been fearful of extradition to the US, why would he choose to run away to the country which (at least at the time) has the strongest ties to the US?
Re:Julian Assange arrested in London by rndgermandude on Thursday April 11, 2019 @07:29AM (#19633178)
He did not run to the UK. The charges in Sweden had been dropped and he was allowed to leave the country. I'll give you that the UK is a bad choice to go, but at the time he was free and clear of any charges. Only after he was in the UK, Sweden reopened their investigation, and at first reported him as a "witness" they'd like to interview, and that's what they based their request for extradition on. He wasn't "accused" at the time Sweden filed.

His "pre-text" wasn't that he feared the UK would extradite him to the US, but that the UK would extradite him to Sweden, which would extradite him to the UK. So he was fearful of Sweden, not the UK. You can say that this is stupid or even claim he cannot genuinely believe that and is therefore disingenuous, but unless a true mindreader shows up, we cannot know what he thought and feared, really.

Re:Julian Assange arrested in London by OlleTO on Thursday April 11, 2019 @07:41AM (#19633256)
>He did not run to the UK. The charges in Sweden had been dropped and he was allowed to leave the country.

True - I'd forgotten that part.

In any case - the case was reopened in November 2010, and Assange didn't enter the embassy until June 2012. If this truly was some sort of grand conspiracy to get him extradited to the US, I'd imagine the CIA has more reliable and straightforward methods of arresting/disappearing someone.

In addition to the above, EU law forbids extradition chains (Assange extradited from the UK -> Sweden, and then Sweden -> US) without explicit permissions from all involved countries.

Re:Julian Assange arrested in London by ptero on Thursday April 11, 2019 @08:02AM (#19633458)
> I'd imagine the CIA has more reliable and straightforward methods of arresting/disappearing someone

Probably, but there are likely extreme hurdles to such "disappearing" of well known persons (especially those who are not universally hated). Having the technical capability is one thing. Effectively acknowledging its use in a mostly friendly, sovereign country is a very different matter.

Re:Julian Assange arrested in London by erikbye on Friday April 12, 2019 @04:10PM (#19648536)
Yes, they do. It's called extraordinary rendition.
Re:Julian Assange arrested in London by makomk on Thursday April 11, 2019 @08:03AM (#19633465)
Extraditing from Sweden would probably require the permission of the UK government, who are generally more than willing to bend over backwards for the US on this kind of thing. What it avoids is getting the UK courts involved; how much that matters in practice is an interesting question. Also, I don't think the US was ready to extradite him yet back in 2010.

Edit: yep, arrest warrant supposedly issued in December 2017 over his work with Manning back in 2010.

Re:Julian Assange arrested in London by gsnedders on Thursday April 11, 2019 @08:36AM (#19633753)
It wouldn't avoid the UK courts getting involved; consent from the UK for onward extradition from Sweden is subject to judicial review, much like any other extradition request.
Re:Julian Assange arrested in London by wolco on Thursday April 11, 2019 @08:08AM (#19633510)
The CIA killing him would have created a huge us pr nightmare.
Re:Julian Assange arrested in London by fixermark on Thursday April 11, 2019 @08:18AM (#19633602)
Correct. And would have been entirely unnecessary, because they could just wait him out.

If the goal is deterrence, he works just as well as a symbol rotting in the Ecuadorian embassy as either dead or rotting in jail.

Re:Julian Assange arrested in London by isostatic on Thursday April 11, 2019 @07:50AM (#19633320)
> wasn't that he feared the UK would extradite him to the US, but that the UK would extradite him to Sweden, which would extradite him to the UK

I assume you mean "extradite him to the US"

Why would Sweden extradite him to the U.S. when the UK wouldn't?

Either way, he promised the UK courts he wouldn't flee. Then he fled. Now he's been arrested for skipping bail. Good. Everytime someone skips bail, it makes it harder for innocent people to get bail when they are charged with crimes they didn't commit.

Re:Julian Assange arrested in London by rndgermandude on Thursday April 11, 2019 @08:10AM (#19633528)
Indeed, "to the US"

I don't know what he was thinking? Maybe he had memories of Pinochet not being extradited from the UK? Maybe he had memories of the Swedes doing the bidding of the US re:thepiratebay?

Re:Julian Assange arrested in London by monocasa on Thursday April 11, 2019 @08:38AM (#19633764)
The Swedes have previously allowed the CIA to just straight up kidnap people, outside of the legal process.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repatriation_of_Ahmed_Agiza_an...

Re:Julian Assange arrested in London by erikbye on Friday April 12, 2019 @04:02PM (#19648476)
Yeah, well... using CIA and SOF to abduct people is just US M.O. With or without permission from the "host" country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mullah_Krekar#CIA,_Pentagon,_a...

Re:Julian Assange arrested in London by DanBC on Thursday April 11, 2019 @11:49AM (#19635831)
People might be interested in the case from 2018 where Assange tries, and fails, to get the arrest warrant for breaching bail to be dropped.

http://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/format.cgi?doc=/ew/cases/Misc/...

Re:Julian Assange arrested in London by notahacker on Thursday April 11, 2019 @07:35AM (#19633215)
He was obviously free to leave the country, but his lawyer was advised the case had been reopened 5 days before he arrived in the UK
Re:Julian Assange arrested in London by SEJeff on Thursday April 11, 2019 @01:10PM (#19636771)
And his pretext was also that he'd face the death penalty in the US, which is a bit absurd. Chelsea Manning was his co-conspirator and look what she got. She didn't get a death sentence, she got government funded gender reassignment surgery, 35 years which Obama commuted down to 7 years, and contempt of court for refusing a direct court order to appear. Not great, but neither is leaking droves of classified information she was sworn to protect.
Re:Julian Assange arrested in London by cyphar on Thursday April 11, 2019 @01:24PM (#19636928)
She was also tortured[1]. So there's that.

[1]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/mar/12/bradley-mannin...

Re:Julian Assange arrested in London by SEJeff on Thursday April 11, 2019 @05:42PM (#19639547)
Tortured being defined as solitary confinement and terrible conditions, not like legitimate torture that happened in places like Abu Gharib.
Re:Julian Assange arrested in London by cyphar on Monday April 15, 2019 @06:05PM (#19669334)
If the UN has defined it as torture, then I feel reasonably confident saying it's "legitimate torture".

Yes, I'm sure many people have been "more tortured" by the US government (or other governments) than Chelsea Manning -- but it doesn't change the fact she was tortured.

Re:Julian Assange arrested in London by village-idiot on Thursday April 11, 2019 @08:21AM (#19633640)
I can’t think of a single country where running from a valid warrant claiming fear of extradition doesn’t make you guilty of resisting arrest. Legal systems do not typically respond well when the accused flee.