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Re:Show HN: Ethical Resources – 300 ethical alternatives to ... by firethief on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @01:37PM (#19617118)
Well, one dead swallow does not break a summer. Vegan > not vegan is still a good first-order approximation; if you want to be more precise, vegan+avoiding palm oil > vegan > not vegan.
Re:Show HN: Ethical Resources – 300 ethical alternatives to ... by ThrowawayIP on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @02:14PM (#19617479)
Exactly. You add on top of that that many of the Vegan spreads are moving to "Sustainable Palm Oil"[1] and you are really just left with the unsustainable and unimaginably cruel Dairy Industry.

[1] - https://www.triplepundit.com/story/2015/earth-balance-switch...

Re:Show HN: Ethical Resources – 300 ethical alternatives to ... by mikorym on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @01:26AM (#19622108)
I understand this sentiment, and the drive behind it to do good.

Unfortunately one can also perhaps justifiably say:

eat insects > eating vegan > ...

And that makes it all the less romantic. Ideology to me has some merits, but I personally prefer to attempt to optimise at each point (including the meat production pointset).

EDIT: The Netherlands is setting some precedent towards this, especially for animals and improving their surrounds.