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Re:Why Physicists Tried to Put a Ferret in a Particle Accele... by imglorp on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @01:32PM (#19617064)
I've had six ferrets at a time. Whoever coined "barrel of monkeys" never met a business of ferrets: a swirling ball of play, character, and mischief looking for trouble. They'll steal anything not tied down and hide it under the couch usually. Their favorite toy is a length of dryer exhaust hose: they spend hours running through and ambushing whoever comes out the end.
Re:Why Physicists Tried to Put a Ferret in a Particle Accele... by jxcl on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @01:42PM (#19617159)
Thank you for introducing me to the fact that a collection of ferrets is called a "business".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferret#Etymology

Re:Why Physicists Tried to Put a Ferret in a Particle Accele... by ada1981 on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @01:50PM (#19617261)
>> A male ferret is called a hob; a female ferret is a jill. A spayed female is a sprite, a neutered male is a gib, and a vasectomised male is known as a hoblet. Ferrets under one year old are known as kits. A group of ferrets is known as a "business", or historically as a "busyness". Other purported collective nouns, including "besyness", "fesynes", "fesnyng", and "feamyng", appear in some dictionaries, but are almost certainly ghost words. <<
Re:Why Physicists Tried to Put a Ferret in a Particle Accele... by twic on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @03:16PM (#19618038)
This reminds me, that an old name for a rabbit is a "coney", and an old name for a rabbit warren is a "coney-borough", a fortified town of rabbits. Over time, that became simply "burrow".
Re:Why Physicists Tried to Put a Ferret in a Particle Accele... by kiscica on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @04:15PM (#19618512)
Pronounced, originally, to rhyme with "honey" and "money". The obvious vulgar homophony explains why the word is obsolete today and, when it is used (as, for example, in the toponym "Coney Island"), is invariably pronounced to rhyme with "phony" and "bony." Mind you, the pun would already have been perceived in the original Latin (cuniculus/cunnus) and indeed this pair may ultimately be related; cuniculus (whence also conejo, coniglio, coelho, Kanin[chen], etc.) meant not just "rabbit" but also "rabbit hole."
Re:Why Physicists Tried to Put a Ferret in a Particle Accele... by mratzloff on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @05:34PM (#19619164)
> Pronounced, originally, to rhyme with "honey" and "money".

Or "bunny"? :-)

Of course, that word is of a completely different etymology (Scottish).

Re:Why Physicists Tried to Put a Ferret in a Particle Accele... by meko on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @03:21PM (#19618074)
Interesting, since the dutch word for rabbit is 'Konijn', pronounced like 'konen'.
Re:Why Physicists Tried to Put a Ferret in a Particle Accele... by semi-extrinsic on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @05:18PM (#19619018)
In scandinavian languages (including Finnish, which hints at the fact that they don't have a lot of rabbits there) it's very similar: "kanin", pronounced ka-neen. Apparently it traces via old French and German back to the Latin "cuniculus" which actually means rabbit.

Meanwhile, "hare" (or "Hase" in German) remains also in English.

Re:Why Physicists Tried to Put a Ferret in a Particle Accele... by dekhn on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @03:37PM (#19618211)
Coney Island in NY is named for the Dutch, "Rabbit Island"
Re:Why Physicists Tried to Put a Ferret in a Particle Accele... by ncmncm on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @10:14PM (#19621175)
Spain was named by the Phoenicians after the huge number of rabbits they saw there. But they had no word for rabbit, so they used their word for hyraxes.

Which are, by the way, the closest extant taxon to the elephants. Which themselves are named just for their thick skin.

Re:Why Physicists Tried to Put a Ferret in a Particle Accele... by twic on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @08:41AM (#19624006)
Hyraxes, in turn, look rather like chunky ferrets. As you say, they aren't closely related, but i suppose if you're a mammal which lives in holes in the ground, there aren't many body shapes which work.
Re:Why Physicists Tried to Put a Ferret in a Particle Accele... by pacaro on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @04:52PM (#19618834)
As both Dutch and English are West Germanic languages, close cognates are pretty common
Re:Why Physicists Tried to Put a Ferret in a Particle Accele... by discreteevent on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @05:54PM (#19619339)
Coinín in Irish.
Re:Why Physicists Tried to Put a Ferret in a Particle Accele... by russh on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @06:41PM (#19619693)
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Re:Why Physicists Tried to Put a Ferret in a Particle Accele... by ada1981 on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @06:51PM (#19619761)
Learn the ONE WEIRD TRICK Ferret owners are going CRAZY over.
Re:Why Physicists Tried to Put a Ferret in a Particle Accele... by Udik on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @07:39PM (#19620144)
In fact, most of the English "terms of venery", the collective nouns for groups of animals, have been simply made up with a rather obvious humorous intent. It is a testament to some sort of linguistic OCD disorder to keep insisting that these are actual terms- I doubt anybody has ever practically referred to groups of ferrets as "businesses", groups of owls as "parliaments", groups of hyenas as "cowardices" or groups of butterflies as "kaleidoscopes". These terms are not born of usage and have basically only ever served as displays of erudition. It would be time for the English language to recognize they're just made up and pointless.
Re:Why Physicists Tried to Put a Ferret in a Particle Accele... by humbledrone on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @11:10PM (#19621461)
It's worth noting that in some sense, all words are just made up.
Re:Why Physicists Tried to Put a Ferret in a Particle Accele... by Udik on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @04:56AM (#19622957)
Yes, but made up as conventions between people who need a practical way of communicating something. If there is no such need, and the names are not practical for communication, it's more of an in-joke.

Somehow this reminds me of the Borges' tale "Funes the memorious". Being blessed or cursed with a prodigious and absolutely infallible memory, Funes invents his own numeration system which simply assigns to each number a different, arbitrary word from the dictionary. He claims that saying "Napoleon", for example, is way faster than "one thousand two hundred seventy six".

Re:Why Physicists Tried to Put a Ferret in a Particle Accele... by selestify on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @01:05AM (#19622005)
How were they made up? Who came up with these?
Re:Why Physicists Tried to Put a Ferret in a Particle Accele... by Udik on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @04:48AM (#19622911)
Apparently the invention and usage of ultra-specific collective nouns for animals (related to hunting) was fashionable in courts in the 14th and 15th century [1].

Most of the sources about collective nouns refer to the "Book of Saint Albans" as the origin of a large number of them [2]. But the book was meant to humorous, and includes collective nouns even for groups of people: "a superfluity of nuns", "a melody of harpers", "a doctrine of doctors", etc.

I imagine it was a fashionable court game to recite all the hilarious collective names for a vast number of animals and professions. Still, completely pointless from the point of view of communication.

1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collective_noun

2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Saint_Albans

Re:Why Physicists Tried to Put a Ferret in a Particle Accele... by wolfgang42 on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @02:00PM (#19617353)
A whole group of ferrets scurrying around and shouting "business!" is how I picture the inside of every corporate office. — https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/7ub8l2/comment/d...
Re:Why Physicists Tried to Put a Ferret in a Particle Accele... by Sendotsh on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @08:32PM (#19620515)
A great book on collective nouns is "An Exaltation of Larks" by James Lipton. It's hilarious and fascinating.

https://www.bookdepository.com/Exaltation-Larks-James-Lipton...

Re:Why Physicists Tried to Put a Ferret in a Particle Accele... by brianpgordon on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @05:41PM (#19619229)
You may enjoy my favorite collective noun- a parliament of owls!
Re:Why Physicists Tried to Put a Ferret in a Particle Accele... by rzzzt on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @02:36PM (#19627529)
Group of crows = murder
Re:Why Physicists Tried to Put a Ferret in a Particle Accele... by interfixus on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @03:19PM (#19618062)
Absolutely, ferrets are first rate company, and never a dull moment. Except, that is, when play abruptly stops because everybody momentarily goes to sleep.

At least in English, mustelids have inspired a good many verbs. You can weasel, you can badger, you can ferret. Unsurprising, really, once you get acquainted with their extremely personable nature.

Re:Why Physicists Tried to Put a Ferret in a Particle Accele... by imglorp on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @03:36PM (#19618192)
> when play abruptly stops bedause everybody moentarily goes to sleep

Or they've all hatched a new plot and run off to hide... And then fell asleep there.

Re:Why Physicists Tried to Put a Ferret in a Particle Accele... by ada1981 on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @01:49PM (#19617244)
We had a brother and sister pair growing up.

What fun and funny creatures.