Re:Hong Kong 'Umbrella' protesters found guilty of public nu...
by powerapple on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @06:14AM
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good, let's go ahead and promote colonism. Imaging if Germans won the war and rule the world. Yep! What a world we are living in now!
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Re:Hong Kong 'Umbrella' protesters found guilty of public nu...
by _iyig on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @06:37AM
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Perhaps the answer is not a return to colonialism, but to ask what the colonial governments got right. They certainly got a lot wrong, about which much discussion has already been had. Maybe it’s also worth remembering the positive lessons from that period.
Re:Hong Kong 'Umbrella' protesters found guilty of public nu...
by laHiesh1 on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @08:01AM
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I think it's important to draw a line between positive and negative colonialism. The British were legally given HK for 99 years, built infrastructure there, and turned it into a very wealthy territory that enjoyed many freedoms they would not otherwise have if it were a Chinese territory.
Even today, there is a significant number of people within HK that want to go back to British rule. Why deny what the people want?
Re:Hong Kong 'Umbrella' protesters found guilty of public nu...
by gcb0 on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @08:29AM
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because they are part of a ruling elite? I don't know anything, but that's usually the case
Re:Hong Kong 'Umbrella' protesters found guilty of public nu...
by dTal on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @07:43PM
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Imagine, we must - for we can never know for sure whether such a world would indeed have been worse. They were, after all, very organized. Before the occupation, the main avenue in Copenhagen (a pair of two way streets) was chronically congested. The Germans changed it into a pair of one-way streets, doubling throughput. The change persists to this day. And as for the Holocaust - well, virtually all the Jews in German occupied territories were killed as it was. It's not clear that a German victory, whatever that means, would have resulted in many more deaths. And maybe a unified Europe, under whatever flag, might have resulted in some interesting benefits.
I'm not suggesting it would actually have been a good thing - I find the idea rather sickening. I'm just saying that any historical counterfactual is arguable, no matter how obvious it seems at first. I think it better to point at actual instances of colonialism gone wrong - indeed WW2 still qualifies, and it's not necessary for the Germans to have won to make that argument.