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Re:It seems that Google is forgetting the old web by api on Monday April 08, 2019 @09:19AM (#19604882)
So as with all other open systems, spam is destroying the web.
Re:It seems that Google is forgetting the old web by zrm on Monday April 08, 2019 @11:08AM (#19605855)
It seems like the opposite actually -- spam is destroying Google.

They're so big that it's worth blackhats spending significant resources to game their algorithm. That induced them to implement a spam filter which is now discarding the ham along with the spam.

Which means that smaller search engines that aren't being targeted by spammers are now giving better results. That is a major long-term problem for Google if they can't avoid throwing the baby out with the bathwater like this.

People only use Google because it has historically had the best results. They'll get some way on inertia now, but that doesn't last forever. They need to fix this or they're ultimately in trouble, and we could be heading for a landscape where being a search engine above a threshold size is a liability.

Re:It seems that Google is forgetting the old web by revvx on Monday April 08, 2019 @12:06PM (#19606452)
IME, it's not blackhats anymore causing the problem. It's (legitimate, but shady) marketing agencies and startups handling thousands of customers and with deep pockets to do SEO research.
Re:It seems that Google is forgetting the old web by JohnFen on Monday April 08, 2019 @12:54PM (#19606907)
I count those agencies as a variety of blackhat.
Re:It seems that Google is forgetting the old web by rolph on Monday April 08, 2019 @02:33PM (#19607839)
blackhat is as a blackhat does, its no difference how or why you screw users in someway by failing to be forthright and of candor. if you do it constituatively thats blackhat.
Re:It seems that Google is forgetting the old web by andrewprock on Monday April 08, 2019 @10:55AM (#19605747)
The web is fine, and search is fine. It's specifically Google search that's being destroyed by spam.

It's odd to put forward the hypothesis that DuckDuckGo is now better at search (aggregation) than Google is at search. But that seems to be where we have landed.

Re:It seems that Google is forgetting the old web by addicted on Monday April 08, 2019 @11:01AM (#19605789)
I think it may be a simple consequence of the fact that Google Search is increasingly less of a searching engine and more of an answering engine.

I think Google has been explicit about this (I may be wrong, but I seem to remember thinking about this because Google themselves said it). Essentially, I believe, they are no longer concerned about being a way to navigate all the material found on the internet. Instead, they are concerned with answering the question posed by each search attempt.

Re:It seems that Google is forgetting the old web by lubujackson on Monday April 08, 2019 @10:42PM (#19611278)
That's exactly it.

A few years ago they made a push to answer questions to the point it was in their product description on their "how Google search works" page. To quote it exactly, it used to say their objective is to "return timely, high-quality, on-topic, answers to people's questions."

And that's kind of the whole problem and why there is space for a search that actually returns results from the web in a clear and logical way.

Re:It seems that Google is forgetting the old web by pferde on Monday April 08, 2019 @11:52AM (#19606316)
In that case, they have a branding problem, and should rename Google Search to Google Answers.
Re:It seems that Google is forgetting the old web by JohnFen on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @12:24PM (#19616289)
> I think it may be a simple consequence of the fact that Google Search is increasingly less of a searching engine and more of an answering engine.

I've been thinking about this, and it seems very plausible to me. Which means that Google Search isn't really "search" anymore -- which explains why it's become so bad at that!

Too bad. I remember when Google had the best search engine going. It was a real game-changer. Those days are long gone.

Re:It seems that Google is forgetting the old web by gowld on Monday April 08, 2019 @12:18PM (#19606560)
Does Google work if my questions is "what's a good article about X" ? I'm willing to modify my search terms to speak Google's language.
Re:It seems that Google is forgetting the old web by JohnFen on Monday April 08, 2019 @05:52PM (#19609410)
In my experience, Google works better if you ask it questions like that. Not good enough, especially if you're looking for something specific and technical, but better.