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Re:UK government proposes fine or block if website fails to ... by hugh4life on Monday April 08, 2019 @08:53AM (#19604703)
I find it baffling how western nations can't understand how they're now providing ideological justification to the same stances Russia and China are taking towards the internet.
Re:UK government proposes fine or block if website fails to ... by Sniffnoy on Monday April 08, 2019 @12:01PM (#19606411)
It's only baffling if you assume that the people in government are smart.

Somewhat less glibly, it's compartmentalization, basically. Take an ordinary, not-especially-intelligent person who has basically authoritarian intuitions, teach them liberal principles, and you'll get a person who espouses the liberal way only in the particular examples you taught them. (Or in other examples that someone else explicitly connects to those principles.) Most people are just really terrible at applying things they notionally believe outside the specific contexts they associate them with.

Re:UK government proposes fine or block if website fails to ... by wallace_f on Monday April 08, 2019 @01:14PM (#19607082)
Yea.. Even one of my friends with an Ivy degree read and espoused the views of a popular conservative pundit for years, even lauding them as as basically a religious liberal.

People throughout history are the same as they are today. Subservient to authority, self-serving, lazy thinkers, and barely even able to think for themselves in the first place.

Re:UK government proposes fine or block if website fails to ... by jquery on Monday April 08, 2019 @01:59PM (#19607507)
>Even one of my friends with an Ivy degree read and espoused the views of a popular conservative pundit for years, even lauding them as as basically a religious liberal.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, are you saying that no well-educated person would have any conservative viewpoints? That seems patently nonsense.

Re:UK government proposes fine or block if website fails to ... by wallace_f on Monday April 08, 2019 @02:21PM (#19607724)
No, I was agreeing with the parent comment and offered an example. Within this context, I'm not trying to make any left vs right, or vice versa, political arguments.

This person self-identified as liberal. However, they only recognized liberal views within the contexts they had been pre-familiarized with. In fact, this person read, regurgitated, and lauded conservative views for years while beleiving them to be liberal views. This is a particularly hyper-educated person (though in a non-technical field completely removed from economics, politics).

Re:UK government proposes fine or block if website fails to ... by jquery on Monday April 08, 2019 @02:28PM (#19607798)
Thanks, that makes sense, and I totally agree. You can see this in (American) society with the politics of race, free speech, and many other domains.
Re:UK government proposes fine or block if website fails to ... by maze-le on Monday April 08, 2019 @10:49AM (#19605708)
Only if you still belive the cold-war narrative of Freedmon=West vs. Tyranny=East. We live in the wold of a worldwide corporate kleptocracy -- regardless of geographic region. There are of course differences in how the states handle opposition and dissenting voices, but all in all the East-vs-West distinction (or ideological differences in general) are not a good framework of description, when trying to analyze issues concerning state and power these days.
Re:UK government proposes fine or block if website fails to ... by zachguo on Monday April 08, 2019 @03:33PM (#19608315)
State Owned Corporations v.s. Corporation Owned State
Re:UK government proposes fine or block if website fails to ... by MrEldritch on Monday April 08, 2019 @09:39AM (#19605062)
It's not particularly baffling if you think that Western nations are taking these stances for approximately the same reasons as Russia and China are.
Re:UK government proposes fine or block if website fails to ... by timomax on Monday April 08, 2019 @10:01AM (#19605262)
Not really. It's not the same ideology. It's the same tool.
Re:UK government proposes fine or block if website fails to ... by rayvd on Monday April 08, 2019 @11:11AM (#19605880)
Leads to the same place.