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Re:Explaining Sex Rate Changes by abledon on Monday April 08, 2019 @02:15AM (#19602569)
Enforced communal participation in events — similar to having to file your taxes , you just participate in X number of community events in a X km region from your residence — would help people get off the screens and get outside in a context other than work.

Similar to how In high school you need 40 hrs of community service to graduate

Edit: ok not ‘enforced’ but there should be some sort of government incentive

Re:Explaining Sex Rate Changes by icebraining on Monday April 08, 2019 @05:04AM (#19603441)
Sounds like you might enjoy watching https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lobster
Re:Explaining Sex Rate Changes by anonytrary on Monday April 08, 2019 @02:23AM (#19602615)
The irony is that if you do this for the purposes of finding a date, then the efficient stay-at-home solution is to essentially just use Tinder, which optimizes the process, so we're full circle.

Unless, of course, using Tinder unevenly weights physical attractiveness and going to community events more evenly weights other forms of attraction (which is probably the case), in which case going out more could be better than using Tinder for some people.

Re:Explaining Sex Rate Changes by skohan on Monday April 08, 2019 @06:48AM (#19603948)
> using Tinder unevenly weights physical attractiveness and going to community events more evenly weights other forms of attraction

I am very convinced this would be the case.

I remember reading about a study a while ago about relative attractiveness in heterosexual couples (i.e. how the attractiveness of the man compares to that of the woman). The finding was that there was a strong correlation in relative attractiveness in couples who started dating shortly after meeting, and less of a correlation in couples who knew each other for a long time before dating. Both groups of couples reported similar overall relationship satisfaction.

It makes sense if you think about it: if you get together right after meeting, you probably didn't have much to go on besides the superficial. Things like personality take longer to understand. Tinder is like a distillation of the superficial.

Re:Explaining Sex Rate Changes by abledon on Monday April 08, 2019 @02:27AM (#19602634)
not efficient in regards that there are many other positive aspects of venturing out and interacting with community. Increased serotonin and feel good emotions of interacting with real people. swiping screens sucks for that. And even if people fail to find a date, which many may do so if were comparing the side conversation of how dating websites have a 80/20 winner take all kind of matching system.... the people who don't find dates may find meaningful friendships and other types or relationships. In the west its sad that 'relationship' is charged with an intimate vibe, there are many other types of relationships humans can create which can be beneficial to ones mental and physical well being.
Re:Explaining Sex Rate Changes by yason on Monday April 08, 2019 @02:40AM (#19602697)
What a horrible idea unless you're an extraverted person who'd be likely to join the events anyway.
Re:Explaining Sex Rate Changes by abledon on Monday April 08, 2019 @02:57AM (#19602780)
‘What a horrible idea — interacting with other humans face to face - I’d be so uncomfortable’. I see it as a weak social muscle that hasn’t had a lot of workout time and is leaning on a crutch of modern lifestyle staying indoors on screen time. Just like how gradual exercise will make someone stronger , lose weight and take a burden off of the public healthcare system — social exercise will benefit society as well instead of infantalizing and nurturing a generation of socially crippled human beings lol.

As for the extroverted person , maybe they only go to bars to pickup people for quick lays, they don’t contribute to community like helping build a house or work on community plots of land or help paint a mural etc , it could balance it out

Re:Explaining Sex Rate Changes by baroffoos on Monday April 08, 2019 @03:28AM (#19602946)
Mandatory bullshit events forced on people who don't want to be there and then likely some stupid process to prove to the government that you attended the event is a horrible idea.

If you want to encourage face to face events then you need to transform urban spaces to be more walkable and create more public spaces people actually want to hang out at. If I go outside I could walk around for hours and the only people I would see are out there for fitness and do not wish to be disturbed by random chats.

Forcing people to do things is never as effective as making people want to do them in the first place.

Re:Explaining Sex Rate Changes by abledon on Monday April 08, 2019 @04:15AM (#19603171)
I think having 50 people meet up at a community center to go volunteer is way more feasible than redesigning urban infrastructure.

I agree forcing is not nice but tell that to all the children who don’t want to go to school haha

Re:Explaining Sex Rate Changes by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Monday April 08, 2019 @08:24AM (#19604524)
I'm not sure that's true. If you look at where people meet their spouses you often find it was in school or at work (at least here in the states), basically places where they were forced to interact with other people.
Re:Explaining Sex Rate Changes by michaelmrose on Monday April 08, 2019 @04:00AM (#19603102)
Nobody wants to erect a massive social infrastructure that diminishes their enjoyment of their time to improve YOUR enjoyment of society. In fact nobody on planet earth wants to be subjected to what YOU or any other person believes they ought to do with their money/time without pay.

Can you imagine how your friends would feel if you stole from their wallet to plan a party and told them you would steal some more if they didn't come?

Is their a particular reason you aren't suggesting organizing more events say in your locality and encouraging rather than forcing people to join?

Re:Explaining Sex Rate Changes by abledon on Monday April 08, 2019 @04:36AM (#19603290)
Dude chill out lol , no one is talking about massive social infrastructure — get a dozen people together in front of some old abandoned land and build something cool. Maybe even just a landscape project with recycled materials from around the worksite. I’m just riffing here on ways to improve society — people may not like doing something but if it’s good for them maybe we should incentivize it .

If it’s a party that had cake which cured a bad recurring disease that I’m too lazy and stubborn to fix then I’d be grateful for those friends

I am doing the above, I do encourage people and really it’s not high on my priority list — it’s just a suggestion about how we could remedy a gaping problem in our modern social fabric

Re:Explaining Sex Rate Changes by michaelmrose on Monday April 08, 2019 @12:55PM (#19606915)
Once again nobody wants you to take money out of their pockets to fund parties and give them a little of it back if they attend. People not doing what you expect them to isn't a gaping problem in modern society.
Re:Explaining Sex Rate Changes by RandomInteger4 on Monday April 08, 2019 @02:25AM (#19602625)
Sounds like something out of Nazi Germany. I'm all for people engaging with the community, but enforced?
Re:Explaining Sex Rate Changes by Cthulhu_ on Monday April 08, 2019 @04:37AM (#19603291)
Strongly encouraged, then? I mean I do believe social education should be part of one's upbringing - it's not going to happen for a lot of people otherwise.
Re:Explaining Sex Rate Changes by RandomInteger4 on Monday April 08, 2019 @10:28AM (#19605502)
Strongly encouraged is a lot better.
Re:Explaining Sex Rate Changes by abledon on Monday April 08, 2019 @02:31AM (#19602653)
"dude F that S*, I'm staying home, rolling a bunch of fat ones, and grinding on my level 80 Warlock, then logging on to grind up my PathOfExile smurf" (repeat loop for next 40 years) -- lots of people who are no way voluntarily going to break their comfortable cocoon created by addictive gaming & drugs.
Re:Explaining Sex Rate Changes by thatoneuser on Monday April 08, 2019 @02:34AM (#19602664)
Well then that's their choice and they will have to live and die with the consequences.
Re:Explaining Sex Rate Changes by abledon on Monday April 08, 2019 @02:38AM (#19602690)
You could say that for offenders and people who are arrested for crimes/drugs fall into prison system — we have systems in place to reintegrate them back into society —- but the phenomenon of how humans can buy groceries for 2 months, stay inside and entertain themselves , you can’t ‘discipline’ that and schedule those people for parole or counseling —- we’re gonna have a big problem in 10-20 years when more and more people stay inside and have less meaningful relationships
Re:Explaining Sex Rate Changes by ericd on Monday April 08, 2019 @03:53AM (#19603075)
If they haven't done anything to hurt anyone else, that's their right. It's part of being free, that you're free to hurt yourself.
Re:Explaining Sex Rate Changes by michaelmrose on Monday April 08, 2019 @04:12AM (#19603161)
I've been together with my wife for 18 years, married for 14 and I met her playing the original Everquest.
Re:Explaining Sex Rate Changes by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Monday April 08, 2019 @08:26AM (#19604532)
Such cases are extreme outliers.
Re:Explaining Sex Rate Changes by jessaustin on Monday April 08, 2019 @09:09AM (#19604808)
This is unnecessarily dismissive. Since online interactions are more common over time, we would expect marriages (or anything else, really) resulting from online interactions to also become more common over time.
Re:Explaining Sex Rate Changes by close04 on Monday April 08, 2019 @10:37AM (#19605596)
They might be but it's possible that the percentage of such interactions that result in a marriage won't offset the lost potential marriages that came from more "classical" forms of interaction. And when I say "lost" I mean when people start focusing more and more on online dating having expectations other than meaningful relationships/marriage.

The question isn't if online interactions can produce meaningful relationships but rather what is the expectation of people that do it this way. Because if the expectation is that online dating is just for one night stands and "fun" then the increase in such interactions won't bring an equivalent increase in marriages.

Re:Explaining Sex Rate Changes by wetpaws on Monday April 08, 2019 @09:02AM (#19604769)
Why just not cut the fluff and go straight to government mandated divorces? :)
Re:Explaining Sex Rate Changes by michaelmrose on Monday April 08, 2019 @03:56AM (#19603088)
There is so many things wrong with this statement man where to start.

Laws are fundamentally enforced by ya know force. Taxes are enforced by taking your money by force, taking your freedom by force if you disagree strenuously enough, and taking your life if you fail to submit to losing your freedom.

You can't legally force someone to associate with others because we put that in the constitution centuries ago. It's also codified in the European Convention on Human Rights, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

Your idea pisses on rights fundamental enough and universal enough that the entire free world agrees they are a good idea.

If it didn't you would still have to deal with people with social anxiety, people with other obligations including unplanned ones.

Would we have to go to the doctor (if we can afford to go to one) to avoid having our medical or mental safety taken from us? Perhaps go to a government office to plead our case for an exemption or excuse for not going to a party within the right time frame.

But the harshest criticism and the must fundamental is that this solution is a solution to a wholly imaginary problem. It's not substantially harder to interact with the feminine half of the species than it ever was.

In fact its always sucked if you didn't have much social status. Its worse to be low status than it is to be ugly or stupid or both.

This isn't new or shocking. If you want a mate find an individual with shared interests and use that to springboard into dating -> relationship -> partnership. If you don't like where you are at improve your position rather than asking society to fix imaginary problems with the dating and mating game.

Re:Explaining Sex Rate Changes by abledon on Monday April 08, 2019 @04:01AM (#19603109)
Thanks for your thoughtful reply — I was thinking more along the lines of ‘schedule 4-7 events through the year’ claim them on your tax return for an extra bonus or something . Maybe the word enforce was too strong — that’s why I’m not a lawyer lol
Re:Explaining Sex Rate Changes by michaelmrose on Monday April 08, 2019 @04:09AM (#19603151)
A government incentive is paid for out of tax payers pockets. It would literally mean taking money out of my pocket, spending most of it on social events, and then giving me the minority of it back.

Opting out would mean I was paying for other peoples parties when I can barely at this point cover medical expenses.

This remains a terrible idea.

Re:Explaining Sex Rate Changes by agent008t on Monday April 08, 2019 @07:04AM (#19604029)
But doing some public works in the community in lieu of a portion of local/council tax? That could work.
Re:Explaining Sex Rate Changes by michaelmrose on Monday April 08, 2019 @12:57PM (#19606930)
Alternatively you could just not charge that tax then.