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Re:Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists t... by tantalor on Friday April 05, 2019 @04:30PM (#19586711)
Not illegal, sure, but the lack of warrant may (should) mean the information is inadmissible in court. It's no different than if they stole it.
Re:Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists t... by matt4077 on Friday April 05, 2019 @04:43PM (#19586840)
That really depends on the data, doesn’t it? Say they used oogle Maps to get to your place of business. Fruit of the poisonous tree? What if they broke the license terms on some proprietary navigation software?

It’s also relevant that ICE mostly deals in civil law, not criminal. While illegal entry is also a crime, deportation is a civil enforcement action. The fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine doesn’t quite apply. There might be something similar though, and I’d love someone more knowledgeable to chime in.

Re:Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists t... by dragonwriter on Friday April 05, 2019 @05:40PM (#19587321)
> Not illegal, sure, but the lack of warrant may (should) mean the information is inadmissible in court

No, getting evidence voluntarily from any party (or even involuntarily and illegally from a third party!) doesn't trigger the exclusionary rule. No rights triggering the rule are violated in the voluntary case, and if the government violated A’s rights but then use the evidence only against B, the rule doesn't apply either.

And, of course, this is ICE, and the exclusionary rule only applies in criminal cases, not in deportation (civil removal) cases, so the question is largely moot, anyway, even if they were doing this for evidence rather than just to locate targets.

Re:Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists t... by ceejayoz on Friday April 05, 2019 @05:01PM (#19586998)
> It's no different than if they stole it.

It's extremely different.

Law enforcement can ask to search in cases where they don't have a warrant or other legal reasons to insist on a search. If you say "yes", the results are admissible. People mess this up all the time when cops pull them over or knock on the door.

Re:Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists t... by gamblor956 on Friday April 05, 2019 @04:52PM (#19586928)
If the information was the type covered by an expectation of privacy, then the lack of a warrant likely would make it inadmissible...until ICE asks the judge for a warrant, for a date range covered by the specific enforcement action at issue, and comes back to court with the now lawfully-obtained information.
Re:Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists t... by dragonwriter on Friday April 05, 2019 @05:45PM (#19587350)
> If the information was the type covered by an expectation of privacy, then the lack of a warrant likely would make it inadmissible

In a criminal trial, of the person who had the legal expectation of privacy, which in most cases is the person with possession of the documents, etc., not the subject of the documents, where those are different.

But, in any cases, not in most civil proceedings, and explicitly not in civil removal (deportation) proceedings, which is what ICE is mostly concerned with here, so the Constitution is essentially irrelevant as there is no practical remedy available for violations (which is one reason states have adopted rules against information sharing with immigration officials.)

Re:Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists t... by tantalor on Friday April 05, 2019 @04:59PM (#19586983)
A backdated warrant? Surely that's not legal.
Re:Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists t... by shawnz on Friday April 05, 2019 @05:01PM (#19587004)
I assume that wouldn't retroactively exonerate Motel 6, right?
Re:Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists t... by mikeash on Friday April 05, 2019 @05:36PM (#19587287)
In this case it would be immigration court, which is a civil proceeding where the standard of guilt is merely a preponderance of evidence and the defendant has no right to a lawyer if they can’t afford one. I doubt admissibility will actually come up much.
Re:Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists t... by lamarpye on Friday April 05, 2019 @05:12PM (#19587092)
Why does the fact that someone is staying in Motel 6 need to be admitted as evidence in court? People aren't being deported for the crime of booking a room at Motel 6.