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Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by CalRobert on Thursday April 04, 2019 @10:46AM (#19572922)
OK, how about "it's a way to make sure people who need the road most are the ones who get to use it"

Kind of how parking meters are FANTASTIC because they mean I can finally get a damn space for the rare occasion when I rent a van or car and need to park in front of my flat. I just wish they'd raise prices on my street because it's still tough sometimes.

Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by WillPostForFood on Thursday April 04, 2019 @10:51AM (#19572989)
"it's a way to make sure people who need the road most are the ones who get to use it"

It is too regressive to achieve that end. If you have a lot of money, it is a trivial cost for convenience. If you are poor, but would really benefit from road access, you still may not be able to afford it. You could easily frame this as "keep the poor off the road so the rich don't have to deal with traffic".

Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by CalRobert on Thursday April 04, 2019 @12:23PM (#19574129)
But we already do that with homes, so why not be consistent and do it with cars?

Anyway, making walking and cycling as crappy as possible by giving people congested, polluted, dangerous streets is pretty inconsiderate to poor people as is.

And the article specifically mentions waivers for low income people.

Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by closeparen on Thursday April 04, 2019 @03:05PM (#19575953)
Congestion makes cycling a little nicer, since the cars are slower and more predictable, and you’re the one zipping past them.
Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by CalRobert on Thursday April 04, 2019 @03:29PM (#19576198)
I've cycled in lots of congested cities. This isn't completely wrong, but it's like going from one to two when we should aim for ten.

But true, the _worst_ for cycling is very busy but still fast roads. Wilshire blvd on a Saturday comes to mind

Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by bobthepanda on Thursday April 04, 2019 @12:34PM (#19574262)
There are rebates for specific use cases like that. It’s a lot cheaper than just fire hosing subsidies for everyone.
Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by scottie_m on Thursday April 04, 2019 @11:09AM (#19573201)
If I’m wealthy and want my SUV motorcade to drive through NYC all day I can trivially afford it, even if my need asymptotically approaches zero. If I’m a desperate person working three jobs to support my family, I have a great need, and yet the tax is a hardship.
Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by Declanomous on Thursday April 04, 2019 @11:40AM (#19573601)
The fact that you'd need to even own a car to get to your job is a massive barrier for people with low incomes. The fact that we are spending money building roads that we could be spending on other social programs is way more harmful to the poor than any congestion tax could be.

If this congestion charge reduces traffic and makes buses run faster, it's possible that it would actually massively benefit poorer individuals.

Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by bobthepanda on Thursday April 04, 2019 @12:36PM (#19574285)
Poor people in NYC do not even really own cars, and if they do they certainly don’t drive in Manhattan, where the cost of a parking spot is horrendous.
Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by CalRobert on Thursday April 04, 2019 @12:27PM (#19574188)
Indeed - but as noted in the article, you'd likely be exempted in that situation, and having less congested streets on which to walk, cycle, take the bus, or drive would be a great benefit.
Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by p_roz on Thursday April 04, 2019 @11:56AM (#19573817)
I think that the cost to the wealthy person is understated because of the opportunity cost of their time/resources. The fact that wealthy people don’t do this now without congestion pricing makes it unlikely that they would do so with an additional cost applied.