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Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by dec0dedab0de on Thursday April 04, 2019 @10:25AM (#19572635)
When I worked in a major city I would go on a half-joke rant anytime someone brought up traffic, parking,or obesity. If I were somehow the king of a major city, I would have a giant parking lot on the outside, and ban all cars. You could buy day passes if you need access to the roads to move or something, but it would be discouraged. People would walk more, and be healthier, The air would be higher quality, and most importantly you wouldn't have to wait to cross the street when you're walking to lunch.
Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by piffey on Thursday April 04, 2019 @11:45AM (#19573659)
You may be interested in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_car-free_places

About a decade ago I remember being in some city in France (Bordeaux maybe? Bayonne maybe?) while studying there and the city center was demo'ing a car free plan. There were parking lots for delivery trucks outside delivery hours (when they had street access, 0200-0400 or something) then bikes would come and ferry things in. I remember being shocked at how great it all worked. Not sure if it's still in place, but I'd love to see more of that here in the States. The noise reduction alone was worth it.

Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by arethuza on Thursday April 04, 2019 @10:40AM (#19572840)
Isn't a "giant parking lot on the outside" a Park and Ride?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_and_ride

They can work pretty well if you have good transport (e.g. trams/rail) from the Park and Ride into your city.

Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by gerry_shaw on Thursday April 04, 2019 @10:53AM (#19573019)
That's exactly what the plan looks like at http://www.carfree.com
Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by francisofascii on Thursday April 04, 2019 @12:41PM (#19574343)
Oslo created or is creating a car free section of the city.
Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by ropeilin on Thursday April 04, 2019 @12:01PM (#19573887)
Are you talking about Venice?
Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by amedvednikov on Thursday April 04, 2019 @11:42AM (#19573619)
You got my vote!
Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by i_am_proteus on Thursday April 04, 2019 @10:31AM (#19572724)
Also, there wouldn't be many lunch options because delivery services wouldn't be able to use cars and trucks.
Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by yardie on Thursday April 04, 2019 @10:53AM (#19573015)
So restaurants, bars, and taverns didn't exist until after the automobile was invented. Got it!
Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by csours on Thursday April 04, 2019 @11:22AM (#19573369)
I think this comment deserves a Michelin Star!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelin_Guide

Hint: Why would a tire company put out a restaurant guidebook?

Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by jrockway on Thursday April 04, 2019 @10:37AM (#19572790)
No food delivery in New York uses cars and trucks. They all use ebikes. (Which were illegal for years, but that stopped nobody from using them.)
Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by GuiA on Thursday April 04, 2019 @10:51AM (#19572987)
How do the ingredients get to the restaurant for preparation?
Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by hannasanarion on Thursday April 04, 2019 @01:37PM (#19574993)
During special hours of the night when delivery trucks are allowed to use the street.
Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by tom_ on Thursday April 04, 2019 @11:00AM (#19573092)
There are probably different rules for wholesale or commercial deliveries.
Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by CalRobert on Thursday April 04, 2019 @10:44AM (#19572887)
Which is why there's no restaurants in Venice.
Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by wang_li on Thursday April 04, 2019 @11:26AM (#19573419)
It's going to be tough to retrofit canals into all major cities.
Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by kaiju0 on Thursday April 04, 2019 @10:39AM (#19572834)
Excellent. This would contribute to health. You want something. Walk to get it.
Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by dondawest on Thursday April 04, 2019 @11:02AM (#19573119)
Senior citizens love this plan.
Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by clairity on Thursday April 04, 2019 @11:34AM (#19573529)
maybe just speak for yourself? the seniors i know walk more than the juniors i know.

senior folks will happily share their opinions with you, so no need to speak for them.

Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by CaptainDecisive on Thursday April 04, 2019 @01:19PM (#19574779)
Your comment is interesting because it hadn't even occurred to me that the parent comment might be being sarcastic. I thought the emphasis on love was being serious. My experience is older folks (maybe 80 and up? Not really sure) start to lose confidence or ability with driving and give it up. Hence need to walk and take public transport. So less cars and a more walkable neighborhood is a win for them as well as everybody else :-)
Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by wccrawford on Thursday April 04, 2019 @02:22PM (#19575479)
It was sarcastic because many seniors can't walk long distances. The idea that if they want something they "walk to get it" is ridiculous.

The missing component is that when you ban cars, you have to have good public transit to replace them, especially for the elderly and disabled.

Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by dondawest on Friday April 05, 2019 @09:01PM (#19588474)
Yes and yes :)
Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by amanaplanacanal on Thursday April 04, 2019 @02:11PM (#19575368)
I'm only 62 and I hate driving. If I can walk or bike where I'm going, that's my preference by far, modulo whatever the weather is doing.

Unfortunately where I live the public transportation is awful, so I end up driving more than I would prefer.

Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by clairity on Thursday April 04, 2019 @02:27PM (#19575546)
yes, as i understand it, high walkability promotes self-reliance/independence, which correlates highly with quality of life and longevity.

since "love" is an intensified term already, the italics seemed to imply sarcasm to me, but i'm open to being told i misread the prior comment. =)

Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by dondawest on Friday April 05, 2019 @12:58PM (#19584551)
I was being sarcastic. The other comments on here are quite illuminating, discussing how many senior citizens love walking. That’s cool.

The problem with the car-free plan is that many senior citizens literally do not have the ability to walk unassisted. And the car-free plan seems to exclude these people in a dramatic way. That’s why I intended the parent comment to be sarcastic.

I get that some old people love to walk. But some old people LITERALLY ARE UNABLE to walk, and those are the ones who would love this plan the most. (I AM BEING SARCASTIC HERE).

Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by qmanjamz on Thursday April 04, 2019 @02:55PM (#19575844)
Congratulations. You must be so proud of your seniors.

Unfortunately, many seniors physically can't walk long distances. The fact that you don't personally know them doesn't mean they don't exist.

Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by dondawest on Friday April 05, 2019 @12:59PM (#19584556)
Exactly. The car-free plan discriminates against these people
Re:The Streets Were Never Free. Congestion Pricing Finally M... by vorpalhex on Thursday April 04, 2019 @10:37AM (#19572800)
And all the restaurants would have to be on the outside of the city to get their deliveries.