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Re:When Microsoft's eBook store closes, your books disappear... by criddell on Thursday April 04, 2019 @10:18AM (#19572566)
I never understood the argument that ebooks should cost less. The price of a good usually isn't determined by the cost to manufacture and sell. Why should books be different?

For me, I'll pay more for an ebook than a paperback because it's a more valuable format for me. Aside from being more compact and searchable, I can select a larger font. If it's more valuable, why shouldn't it cost more?

One thing we do agree on though is that DRM on books should be banned. At the absolute minimum, it should have a failsafe built in so that users never lose their books and when copyright expires, all protection is removed.

Re:When Microsoft's eBook store closes, your books disappear... by wlll on Thursday April 04, 2019 @10:26AM (#19572657)
Good for you that you get more value out of them. I won't pay more though, because I personally have less rights and convenience with ebooks.

There's also an element of being taken for a ride here. I can afford the $8 snickers bar from the minibar in the hotel, but I won't buy it because I feel like someone is taking the piss. Attempting to use their position to extort me.

Same for ebooks. When your costs are lower, but you're charging more, I'm not going to buy the book because though I can afford the book I feel like I'm being somehow extorted.

Re:When Microsoft's eBook store closes, your books disappear... by panzagl on Thursday April 04, 2019 @01:25PM (#19574846)
How are you taken for a ride? The kindle version is almost always cheaper than the retail price of the physical version, and usually cheaper than the discounted price as well.
Re:When Microsoft's eBook store closes, your books disappear... by wlll on Thursday April 04, 2019 @01:46PM (#19575089)
I can find examples on Amazon where the ebook is less, the same as, or more expensive than the physical copy.
Re:When Microsoft's eBook store closes, your books disappear... by panzagl on Thursday April 04, 2019 @01:59PM (#19575240)
Well, yeah, there are no absolutes, but it's usually something like the book has just been remaindered and not a permanent situation or is a textbook. In general if you're picking up something current the ebook is a few dollars less, which seems right for printed material.
Re:When Microsoft's eBook store closes, your books disappear... by Finnucane on Thursday April 04, 2019 @10:51AM (#19572985)
Typically, the price of books is largely a function of the costs of manufacture and distribution. There are some fixed, up-front costs that don't vary with print run (editorial, typesetting, proofreading, cropyediting and so on), which is why a bestseller novel is way more profitable than a complex academic book that is expensive to produce and limited in sales, even though you're probably spending more on royalties and marketing support for that.

For ebooks, you can reduce your distribution costs (there's some cost of creating the file and distributing it, but you don't have shipping costs or returns), but of course you still need to make back your fixed costs. I manage ebook production for a university publisher (but I have no say on pricing decisions, only the technical stuff), and for us, the savings for ebooks doesn't really translate into a big price difference, because our fixed costs are such a large part of our expenses. In our market, ebooks still don't amount to a big percentage of sales, because the reader technology doesn't provide enough support for complex books.

I do argue as much as I can against DRM, but so far I have lost that fight.

Re:When Microsoft's eBook store closes, your books disappear... by criddell on Thursday April 04, 2019 @01:23PM (#19574825)
> Typically, the price of books is largely a function of the costs of manufacture and distribution.

I don't think that's always true. The cost to print and ship hard cover vs paperback books is less than the price difference between the two.

I'm surprised about ereaders not supporting what you need for complex books. When I looked at Apple's version of epub it I thought it was pretty impressive. The Kindle format is more limited, but if you can represent something with html, css, and javascript, iBook should work.

Re:When Microsoft's eBook store closes, your books disappear... by vsl on Friday April 05, 2019 @02:23AM (#19580184)
You’re right. It’s pretty much never true. The publishing costs are dominated by the fixed costs.
Re:When Microsoft's eBook store closes, your books disappear... by joe_the_user on Thursday April 04, 2019 @03:19PM (#19576093)
The price of a good usually isn't determined by the cost to manufacture and sell. Why should books be different?

When the market structure of a good results in full competition, then the cost of a good is going to tend toward the cost of producing the good plus basic profit (if a company raises prices past this, another company can enter the market to produce the good more cheaply).

When the market structure of a good involves an effective monopoly, the cost will tend to whatever price the monopoly thinks will generate the most total profit (and that depends on the supply curve).

Naturally, you have markets that inbetween these two poles (economists talk about oligopolies and "monopolistic competition").

As far as what the price of books should be, if you think of a publisher as naturally having monopoly since each book is unique, then it makes sense for ebooks to not cost less. But if you imagine a look of books could be substituted for other books (one c++ manual versus another) then it makes sense for the price of ebooks to be less than that of regular books.

http://www.amosweb.com/cgi-bin/awb_nav.pl?s=wpd&c=dsp&k=olig...

Re:When Microsoft's eBook store closes, your books disappear... by cjg on Thursday April 04, 2019 @01:14PM (#19574722)
Actually the price of a good is almost always the cost to manufacture and sell. If it were not, someone else would manufacture and sell it at cost. Bear in mind that the profit inherent in captialism corresponds to the cost of the capital required to run the manufacturing and sales process.

Of course, goods fall on a commodity range. Some things are entirely fungible, others less so. The less fungible a good is, the more the cost can move away from the cost to produce.

Books sound like they aren't fungible - after all one title isn't an exact replacement for another. But, they are quite fungible in the sense that one murder mystery can in some sense substitute for another.

Very few things are not fungible at all.