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Re:Why Don't Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are? by exelius on Thursday April 04, 2019 @08:37AM (#19571451)
Americans don’t travel. If we did, we wouldn’t buy the myth of American exceptionalism.

But then, we are largely becoming a country controlled by global financial interests rather than the population. Money is the deciding factor in our elections, and the most concentrated forms of wealth out there are sovereign wealth funds and large multinational corporations whose executives are largely above the law. Which means you don’t need to be an American citizen to have a voice in the political process that affects the quality of life for hundreds of millions of us.

We need publicly funded elections. Otherwise, corporate and foreign money with zero interest in the wellbeing of American citizens will dominate the politics agenda (just like they have for the last 20-ish years).

Re:Why Don't Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are? by JackFr on Thursday April 04, 2019 @08:59AM (#19571708)
> Americans don’t travel. If we did, we wouldn’t buy the myth of American exceptionalism.

That’s some serious middle school wisdom.

I’ve travelled a fair amount, and I find the myth of American exceptionalism to be no more prevalent that the myths of French, Moroccan, Swiss and Japanese exceptionalism. The thing about the belief in American exceptionalism, is that it’s not exceptional at all.

When you travel and you get to know people all over it’s eye opening to discover that no single country has a monopoly on ignorance and chauvinism. I’m most familiar with it in the US, cause that’s where I’m from, but it’s certainly not unique to the US.

Re:Why Don't Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are? by alexandercrohde on Thursday April 04, 2019 @09:11AM (#19571833)
That's probably true, but it doesn't rebut the central thesis that travel makes one realize how not-exceptional their own country is and how people everywhere are the same.

In fact, you're kind of agreeing.

Re:Why Don't Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are? by microcolonel on Thursday April 04, 2019 @09:00AM (#19571726)
> Americans don’t travel. If we did, we wouldn’t buy the myth of American exceptionalism.

The U.S. is huge, if you count travelling states (as you would with India or China), I don't think U.S. rates of travel are all that strange.

Re:Why Don't Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are? by lr4444lr on Thursday April 04, 2019 @08:58AM (#19571681)
We have publicly funded elections in NYC. It doesn't the change the overall system very much.
Re:Why Don't Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are? by exelius on Thursday April 04, 2019 @09:34AM (#19572065)
It doesn’t work because the entire system above it takes massive amounts of private money, which influence downballot races.

The parties spend a lot of money to raise the profile of a few candidates in a state (people can only remember a few names anyway), then leverage their popularity to endorse candidates in downballot races.

In practice, whatever local candidates supported by the largest party-sponsored get-out-the-vote operation wins. In NYC, that means a figurehead celebrity mayor and most of the lower positions filled by a political machine.

Re:Why Don't Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are? by lr4444lr on Thursday April 04, 2019 @12:08PM (#19573963)
Well what are you going to do, give out the tens of thousands to anyone who shows up and fills out a form to run for office? There has to be a minimum threshold for the relevant managing agency to determine which candidates are serious. Meeting that minimum takes money and influence.
Re:Why Don't Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are? by linuxftw on Thursday April 04, 2019 @10:22AM (#19572603)
We need more representation. There's no reason to have the same number or representatives in the lower house of congress as we did at the turn of the 20th century.

We should also repeal the 17th amendment and popular elections for president.

Re:Why Don't Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are? by jlawson on Thursday April 04, 2019 @08:48AM (#19571574)
Money is not the deciding factor in American elections. Hillary Clinton spent twice as much as Donald Trump during the 2016 campaign.
Re:Why Don't Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are? by username223 on Thursday April 04, 2019 @09:09AM (#19571820)
How does that follow? A charismatic demagogue won against a singularly uninspiring lifetime politician, despite receiving fewer votes (because Electoral College). Money isn't the only factor, but it's still one of the largest.
Re:Why Don't Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are? by jlawson on Thursday April 11, 2019 @11:06AM (#19635214)
"One of the largest" is different from "the deciding factor"; let's keep those goalposts pinned down please.
Re:Why Don't Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are? by exelius on Thursday April 04, 2019 @09:24AM (#19571977)
I’ll agree it didn’t matter in the most recent presidential cycle, though I would argue the real damage is done further down the ballot in the house and senate. People just don’t do as much homework on those candidates and are more responsive to messaging.
Re:Why Don't Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are? by lesdeuxmagots on Thursday April 04, 2019 @09:02AM (#19571738)
Money is a deciding factor in shaping elections - the narratives, the length of the election season, what candidates decide to run, how policy choices look. By the time the general presidential election happens, 90% of the impact is already baked in.
Re:Why Don't Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are? by carlmr on Thursday April 04, 2019 @09:04AM (#19571760)
Campaign spending is not the whole picture. How many outside interests contributed otherwise to HC and DT in the last election?

You can start an ad campaign against a candidate you don't like without that showing up in the campaign fund.

Re:Why Don't Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are? by freshm087 on Thursday April 04, 2019 @09:38AM (#19572110)
HC factically started her campaign right after the first Obama's term, had support of party leadership, and therefore major party donors, and having sympathies of the press. DT started his campaign a year before elections, was rudiculed by mainstream Republican opinion-makers until May 2016, was (and is) in a conflict with major donors (like Koch brothers), and had/has generally unfriendly relations with press. So unless you imply some very big conspiracy theory I don't see how he could have even a chance to outspent HC.
Re:Why Don't Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are? by carlmr on Thursday April 04, 2019 @11:08AM (#19573187)
I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that campaign finances are only a partial picture.

I also think HC had much more backing.

Re:Why Don't Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are? by ihaveajob on Thursday April 04, 2019 @08:59AM (#19571698)
That's one exception to the rule. A big one, being the most important election that happens every 4 year, but that doesn't negate the importance of money in campaigning.
Re:Why Don't Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are? by JackFr on Thursday April 04, 2019 @09:05AM (#19571774)
Beto O’Rourke outspent Ted Cruz $79MM to $45MM. Another exception?
Re:Why Don't Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are? by exelius on Thursday April 04, 2019 @09:27AM (#19572005)
There are always exceptions that prove the rule — Texas is in a weird place in that the shifting demographics (higher birthdate among non-whites) will eventually flip the state blue in the late 2020s, so I think the DNC was optimistic they could steal a senate seat on a wave of popular support.

One could also argue the DNC was investing in raising the national profile of one of its rising stars in advance of the 2020 campaign even knowing his chances were slim.

Re:Why Don't Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are? by warcode on Thursday April 04, 2019 @09:04AM (#19571758)
From what I have learned it is the money you don't hear about that matters the most.
Re:Why Don't Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are? by agrippanux on Thursday April 04, 2019 @09:10AM (#19571825)
Trump got billions of free media exposure https://www.thestreet.com/story/13896916/1/donald-trump-rode.... He didn't have to outspend Hillary with that kind of advantage.
Re:Why Don't Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are? by pgrote on Thursday April 04, 2019 @09:08AM (#19571806)
>Money is not the deciding factor in American elections. Hillary Clinton spent twice as much as Donald Trump during the 2016 campaign.

I understood the comment to reference the special interest money behind elections not so much the total amount of money. Corporations vs. individuals.

Re:Why Don't Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are? by frontloadpro on Thursday April 04, 2019 @09:02AM (#19571736)
I hate traveling.

I lift weights and going to Europe was the most physically draining experience. Going to a restaurant paying 12 Euros and getting 700 calories of carbs was awful. And having to pay for water... I felt physically terrible.

By the end of the trip, I'd order 6 tuna or egg sandwiches.

I don't travel because I find learning more interesting than looking at buildings.

Re:Why Don't Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are? by close04 on Thursday April 04, 2019 @09:49AM (#19572225)
> Going to a restaurant paying 12 Euros and getting 700 calories of carbs was awful

That's a strange and out of context example. I live in one of the more expensive European cities and for 12E still get to eat a pound of meat in a restaurant. Of course it will always depend on what you order and which restaurant. But your comparison is like saying the average rent in the US is $3000/mo (which it actually is, is some parts).

Re:Why Don't Americans Understand How Poor Their Lives Are? by rorykoehler on Thursday April 04, 2019 @11:38AM (#19573579)
Surely you’d take a protein shake after lifting?