Electric Cars Hit Record in Norway

Re:Electric Cars Hit Record in Norway by rootusrootus on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @03:52PM (#19566636)

Well, if you're going to blame non-EV cars for all sorts of negative externalities, you're going to need to figure out how to credit them for the positive externalities too. That's a tall order.

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Re:Electric Cars Hit Record in Norway by beefield on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @03:55PM (#19566678)

You happen to have any examples of positive externalities non-EV cars have that EV cars do not have?

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Re:Electric Cars Hit Record in Norway by CamperBob2 on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @04:22PM (#19566952)

Well, for one thing, anything that incentivizes the development and deployment of better batteries and power conversion technology will have massive benefits for us all. Renewable energy is more about storing power than generating it.

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Re:Electric Cars Hit Record in Norway by reaperducer on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @03:59PM (#19566730)

Not the OP. And this is not for cars, specifically, but we're a very long way away from electric fire trucks, ambulances, and construction equipment.

Also, I'm not sure what the OP is on about with this:

not taxing them for ruining our health and climate, for a start

Since electric cars aren't taxed, either, that's just playing with numbers.

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Re:Electric Cars Hit Record in Norway by sbierwagen on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @04:13PM (#19566869)

Why can't you electrify ambulances? They're specialized taxis, many short trips, spending a lot of time parked. Only time you need long range is for patient transfer between hospitals. Fire trucks only make short trips, and (ideally) have a tiny capacity ratio.

Ditto for construction vehicles, which rarely travel long distances, often want to be heavy for greater traction, and can have surprisingly low power output. (The Cat D5K2 weighs 20,000 pounds but only has a 105 HP engine: https://www.cat.com/en_US/products/new/equipment/dozers/smal... )

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Re:Electric Cars Hit Record in Norway by reaperducer on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @06:21PM (#19567733)

Why can't you electrify ambulances?

I can't speak for Norway, but in the United States it is very common for Ambulances to travel difficult roads and sometimes non-roads. They have heavy-duty engines for a reason.

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Re:Electric Cars Hit Record in Norway by TylerE on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @04:25PM (#19566981)

Don't confuse power with torque. Big diesel engines run at super low RPM, so have low HP but high torque (since HP is just torque * RPM * a constant).

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Re:Electric Cars Hit Record in Norway by jsight on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @04:20PM (#19566934)

In business terms, we may be a long way from electric fire trucks, ambulances, and construction equipment.

In terms of the technology, I don't see anything stopping those from happening right now.

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Re:Electric Cars Hit Record in Norway by douglasisshiny on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @04:05PM (#19566791)

I believe the op is suggesting that there have been significant deferred costs associated with burning fossil fuels.

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Re:Electric Cars Hit Record in Norway by rootusrootus on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @05:59PM (#19567590)

How about modern society? The fact that we're even in a technological position to make EVs to begin with? It's all great to hate on cars, but the world we have today is absolutely dependent on them.

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