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Re:The CIA Campaign to Steal Apple's Secrets (2015) by yorwba on Tuesday April 02, 2019 @01:02PM (#19556299)
> One would hope that they were trying to gain access to someone else's devices, as opposed to turning the guns towards their own citizens and economy.

Apple devices are sold all over the world, so there's no way of gaining access to the enemy's devices without that method also being applicable to everyone else. Actually using them on everyone else is a different matter.

Re:The CIA Campaign to Steal Apple's Secrets (2015) by turc1656 on Tuesday April 02, 2019 @06:20PM (#19559134)
"...no way of gaining access to the enemy's devices without that method also being applicable to everyone else."

That's only true of some methods like using exploits and other vulnerabilities, or mass-surveillance style methods. It's not true of other types like confidence tricks and social engineering, eavesdropping and potentially watching passwords being entered or getting them on camera, phishing, fake wifi points, tailored viruses, or cookie hacking. Those methods can be designed for a specific target. Of course, there's also the good old-fashioned method of getting a warrant for data.

The entire concept that the government has "a right" to this data - an argument I've seen judges actually make to justify these activities - is ludicrous. They don't have a right to it by default. They have a compelling interest in the data/information if and only if there is enough reason to believe someone is up to criminal activity. In which case they should have no problem at all getting a warrant.

Re:The CIA Campaign to Steal Apple's Secrets (2015) by cdf2theworld on Tuesday April 02, 2019 @05:41PM (#19558859)
"the enemy's devices"

Which enemy?

Re:The CIA Campaign to Steal Apple's Secrets (2015) by Despegar on Tuesday April 02, 2019 @06:07PM (#19559046)
Strategic rivals: Russia and China

Regional rivals: North Korea and Iran

Authoritarian partners/allies: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, a bunch of other Middle Eastern countries

A bunch of countries flirting with authoritarianism: Brazil, Hungary, Poland, Israel

Re:The CIA Campaign to Steal Apple's Secrets (2015) by Mirioron on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @12:40AM (#19560800)
Seriously? This kind of stuff is exactly why countries are opposed to free trade and globalism. You listed two countries in the EU there, for example.
Re:The CIA Campaign to Steal Apple's Secrets (2015) by apexalpha on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @03:40AM (#19561542)
Yeah if Poland and Hungary are 'flirting with authoritarianism' then the US with it's current leader is too.

If that sounds dumb to you, you should rethink the statement about Poland and Hungary.

Re:The CIA Campaign to Steal Apple's Secrets (2015) by java-man on Tuesday April 02, 2019 @08:49PM (#19559921)
Re:The CIA Campaign to Steal Apple's Secrets (2015) by novaleaf on Tuesday April 02, 2019 @06:20PM (#19559139)
I don't think it's objectionable that any countries Intelligence Service tries to identify threats before it's too late.