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Re:Taiwan to block Tencent and Baidu streaming sites on secu... by chibg10 on Sunday March 31, 2019 @12:59PM (#19536650)
That's not really the full story though. The CCP was worried about the passive soft power of an uncensored internet. The concern stated here is for soft power resulting from the active influence campaigns and censorship originating from the CCP.
Re:Taiwan to block Tencent and Baidu streaming sites on secu... by sorryforthethro on Sunday March 31, 2019 @01:06PM (#19536707)
Can Google/Facebook/Twitter be considered "uncensored internet"? To what degree is a culture's view of moderate speech different than its influence of "soft power"?
Re:Taiwan to block Tencent and Baidu streaming sites on secu... by dleslie on Sunday March 31, 2019 @01:11PM (#19536738)
It's not seperable. The spread of one's cultural values by way of dominating media is a tried and true application of soft power.
Re:Taiwan to block Tencent and Baidu streaming sites on secu... by ralusek on Sunday March 31, 2019 @01:44PM (#19536955)
Or they could, you know, be a neutral search engine.
Re:Taiwan to block Tencent and Baidu streaming sites on secu... by atomicUpdate on Sunday March 31, 2019 @03:34PM (#19537795)
Then people would complain that they aren't taking down the Christchurch shooting videos and are condoning hate.
Re:Taiwan to block Tencent and Baidu streaming sites on secu... by dleslie on Sunday March 31, 2019 @05:59PM (#19538690)
Authoritarian policies thrive alongside tragedy.
Re:Taiwan to block Tencent and Baidu streaming sites on secu... by throwaway8508 on Sunday March 31, 2019 @01:38PM (#19536910)
That’s why films and TV shows are so powerful. Hollywood is the greatest weapon of American soft power.
Re:Taiwan to block Tencent and Baidu streaming sites on secu... by bitxbitxbitcoin on Sunday March 31, 2019 @02:54PM (#19537491)
And that's why you see so much Chinese influence in Hollywood.
Re:Taiwan to block Tencent and Baidu streaming sites on secu... by Wowfunhappy on Sunday March 31, 2019 @06:27PM (#19538835)
> To what degree is a culture's view of moderate speech different than its influence of "soft power"?

Google/Facebook/Twitter are pretty darn conservative about what they censor. "Hate speech is bad" is technically a cultural statement, I guess, but one I feel wholly comfortable spreading everywhere.

Re:Taiwan to block Tencent and Baidu streaming sites on secu... by nicoburns on Sunday March 31, 2019 @09:02PM (#19539568)
Google are pretty hot on censoring copyright infringement. Which is arguably a pretty western value, and is a direct consequence of US government influence.
Re:Taiwan to block Tencent and Baidu streaming sites on secu... by Wowfunhappy on Sunday March 31, 2019 @09:19PM (#19539645)
Generally speaking, this is a bit different in that violating copyright is illegal, not just in the US but in the foreign countries where Google operates. Sometimes in name only, true, but the government of those countries is still ostensibly saying that they want copyrighted works protected. Google is attempting to comply.

I was also under the impression that impression takedowns were not automatically applied worldwide, although I could be wrong. I know I can often view Youtube videos that were taken down for copyright by connecting to a Russian VPN.

Re:Taiwan to block Tencent and Baidu streaming sites on secu... by Barrin92 on Sunday March 31, 2019 @04:11PM (#19538054)
Does that make any difference from the perspective of the nation who feels threatened by the power?

From the Chinese perspective I don't think it makes much difference whether something they perceive to be threatening originates somewhere in the soup of the internet and then makes its way into China or is a concerted effort by a foreign government.

I think the same would be true in reverse, when the Chinese internet would collectively promote material running counter to US interests, say for patriotic reasons, it'd be subject to scrutiny just the same. (In fact historically that did sort of happen to say, pro Soviet American citizens)

Re:Taiwan to block Tencent and Baidu streaming sites on secu... by ArchD on Sunday March 31, 2019 @08:26PM (#19539410)
Says the person who is probably not among the following Chinese people who would probably disagree:

- 10000 who were killed in 1989

- parents whose baby who were poisoned by melanine-tainted milk

- people who were forced out of their homes by corrupt local officials and property developers

- human rights lawyers locked up without due process even by the standards of the Chinese written laws

The US has its fair share of misdeeds, but it does not blatantly censor the Internet and public discourse.

Don't conflate Chinese people with CPC.

Re:Taiwan to block Tencent and Baidu streaming sites on secu... by powerapple on Monday April 01, 2019 @03:17AM (#19541210)
Anyone disagrees with you are sponsored by CPC. That "if" statement works well for you.
Re:Taiwan to block Tencent and Baidu streaming sites on secu... by dleslie on Sunday March 31, 2019 @09:13PM (#19539617)
- prisoners executed in order to harvest their organs
Re:Taiwan to block Tencent and Baidu streaming sites on secu... by pergadad on Monday April 01, 2019 @01:27AM (#19540739)
Or * 1-2 Million Uighurs locked into reeducation camps...uh, sorry, I meant to write "voluntarily attend vocational schools"
Re:Taiwan to block Tencent and Baidu streaming sites on secu... by ummonk on Sunday March 31, 2019 @07:33PM (#19539191)
How do you tell the difference between passive soft power and active influence campaigns? Consider e.g. the handwringing about Russian troll farms.