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Re:Burnout caused by chronic stress is widespread by Zenst on Saturday March 30, 2019 @04:05PM (#19531484)
For many the commute more than hits your daily stress quota, even before work contributes. So you can end up starting your day stressed, be that public transport sardines and delays or playing car upon roads so gridlocked that the terminology car park seems more apt.

This to reach an office at some arbitrary time everybody seems to follow of the 8/9am start. Hence you have this sudden rush into cities around that time and again with the bulk leaving home in the early evening.

Travel outside those hours or against the commuter grain are such a joy, that the contrast is huge.

Whilst many companies offer flexible hours, they are still the exception and until more flexibility becomes more widespread along with home working or local hub/satellite office working. Such stress will play more and more a factor.

I'd dare say that having a stressful commute alone can on many levels kill of your entire morning productivity. Then you have the costs, adding more stress. Again costs that would be much cheaper (public transport trains here in the UK) if you travel outside peak hours. But then, roads much more pleasant off peak.

But a 4 day week can sure make a difference over a 5 day one. Working longer hours for 4 days, avoiding some of that peak commute stress and focusing on work, for those days and giving yourself 3 days of freedom. It is a fine balance over having 5 days of self imposed stress if your late home and the impact upon a social life. Which means you end up with a less quality social life and/or work life and by this approach you get quality time with both. Though not always suitable for all, it's more palatable for companies who are less flexible. At least what I've found. Though again, depends upon your job.

Re:Burnout caused by chronic stress is widespread by ethagnawl on Saturday March 30, 2019 @07:57PM (#19532771)
> Working longer hours for 4 days, avoiding some of that peak commute stress ...

You're spot on here. The option to travel before/after the rush makes a world of difference.

I'm a freelancer/consultant and I've found that when I'm working as a "vendor", as opposed to a "temporary employee" working on-site during normal business hours, and only need to be on-site for meetings and such, I don't mind commuting at all and actually look forward to heading into the city. Novelty aside, I'm sure this is because I'm usually traveling before (heading to a cafe to prepare for an early meeting) or after (late meeting) the rush and can find a seat, have room to breath, etc. However, when I'm stuck doing the 8/9/10-5/6/7 commute, I find the train/subway ride (and myself) miserable.

Re:Burnout caused by chronic stress is widespread by m0zg on Sunday March 31, 2019 @03:39AM (#19534386)
As a consultant I'd bill my hourly rate for travel to and from the customer's office. This achieves two things:

1. Reduces stress, because all of a sudden your commute is not a total waste of time

2. Makes your client feel better about you working from home

Re:Burnout caused by chronic stress is widespread by ethagnawl on Sunday March 31, 2019 @01:24PM (#19536822)
I wish I had the guts to add this sort of stipulation to my (non-existent) standard contract.
Re:Burnout caused by chronic stress is widespread by m0zg on Sunday March 31, 2019 @05:06PM (#19538387)
It's usually not even in the contract (most contracts were supplied by customer). Contracts usually have something to the effect that the customer will pay for travel. You can justify this by saying that because your place of business (usually your home or office) isn't nearby, and your work does not require you to be on-site, you will charge for the actual time spent on travel to and from customer site. You have to be firm on this, and be prepared to walk away if they refuse. I haven't once encountered any pushback, though, even though my hourly rate was pretty high. Also, where I couldn't park for free, I'd pass through parking as an expense. Clients are cool with that too. Somehow they don't allow any of this shit for regular employees, for reasons that I don't quite understand. :-)
Re:Burnout caused by chronic stress is widespread by pault on Monday April 01, 2019 @12:12PM (#19544858)
> Somehow they don't allow any of this shit for regular employees, for reasons that I don't quite understand.

It's because contractors are capex and employees are opex. I'm on a staff augmentation contract at a rate 2x the salary cap for the most senior employees. They keep begging me to convert but can't because I would be taking a $100,000 pay cut. It's a ridiculous situation.

Re:Burnout caused by chronic stress is widespread by ethagnawl on Monday April 01, 2019 @07:52AM (#19542405)
> most contracts were supplied by customer

This is precisely why I don't have a standard contract -- which, after doing this for a number of years, still seems very odd to me. A while back, I hired a lawyer to revise and amend a contract _supplied by customer_ only to have it rejected because of the time and effort it would have taken their lawyers to review/revise/amend my changes. As I understand it, this same line of reasoning would also prevent (most) of my clients from signing a contract presented by me. This makes businesses sense, and I've since learned that it's standard practice, but I resent that I'm the one who has to make the take-it-or-leave-it decision about whether to work _for_ this client, as opposed to _with_ this client.

Re:Burnout caused by chronic stress is widespread by GordonS on Saturday March 30, 2019 @07:11PM (#19532563)
> playing car upon roads so gridlocked that the terminology car park seems more apt

I spent 5 years making a 1 hour (each way) commute by car, a distance of 8 miles (also each way). It was soul destroying! Wasting 2 hours of my life every workday just felt so meaningless!

Eventually I moved out of the city to a small town 10 miles out of the city, and only then did I realise just how awful it had been. I'm now lucky enough to work from home 3 days a week and work 1 day in the office - and it's only a 20-25 minute drive.

Re:Burnout caused by chronic stress is widespread by AdrianB1 on Saturday March 30, 2019 @07:48PM (#19532730)
8 miles is a 30 minute bicycle ride (for me) in the city, and my city is in the top 5 by worst traffic in the world. Except for winter time, I never use a car to go to work, it would take me 1.5-2 hours for 10 miles (in each direction). There are options bicycles and scooters.
Re:Burnout caused by chronic stress is widespread by GordonS on Sunday March 31, 2019 @03:44PM (#19537867)
I was in a Scottish city of only 200k people, so not nearly the worst by any stretch, but still bad enough to result in soul-destroying journey times during rush hour :(

Unfortunately, cycling isn't an option for everyone.

Re:Burnout caused by chronic stress is widespread by dancek on Sunday March 31, 2019 @04:16AM (#19534468)
When I read soul destroying I was certain the punchline is that you'd later started cycling, making commutes both enjoyable and beneficial. Alas, I was wrong.
Re:Burnout caused by chronic stress is widespread by TeMPOraL on Sunday March 31, 2019 @01:58PM (#19537061)
> you'd later started cycling, making commutes both enjoyable and beneficial

Some times of the year (in many places, half or less), and only if you have showers in your office.

Re:Burnout caused by chronic stress is widespread by dancek on Sunday March 31, 2019 @03:36PM (#19537812)
YMMV. I live in Finland, and I ride a bike almost every day of the year. Last winter the temperatures went below -20˚C and I still took the bike, and enjoyed it. Granted there are maybe three months a year when it takes dedication. And yes you do need a shower unless you have an electric bike.
Re:Burnout caused by chronic stress is widespread by quickthrower2 on Sunday March 31, 2019 @06:54AM (#19534898)
8 miles in 1 hour? I’d take up running because it’s be quicker at a not too unreasonable pace.
Re:Burnout caused by chronic stress is widespread by Tempest1981 on Sunday March 31, 2019 @12:52AM (#19533946)
Why aren't more "knowledge workers" able to work from home 2 or 3 days a week?

I know some people have noisy kids/distractions at home, but seems like it would work for many engineers. Yet every company I've been at, I suggest it, and people give me a sarcastic look like, "yeah, right, we can't do that!"

Possibly a fear that not being seen at work will hamper advancement?

Re:Burnout caused by chronic stress is widespread by sgt101 on Sunday March 31, 2019 @04:40AM (#19534525)
More commonly it is felt that not being seen at work and plugged in to every decision will make you a target for dismissal.
Re:Burnout caused by chronic stress is widespread by Tempest1981 on Sunday March 31, 2019 @01:43PM (#19536949)
You could set up a large live display of your github contributions calendar. Or some type of holographic telepresence.

Or just be overly-active in email/chat.

Re:Burnout caused by chronic stress is widespread by sgt101 on Sunday March 31, 2019 @02:45PM (#19537417)
Those things do not matter to the kind of people targeting other people on this irrational basis. What matters is that they have a vague feeling that you are "around" and "a contributor" and "one of us" (feel free to be a bit sick in your mouth at this point).