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Re:The Death of External Storage: Where's Google? by Waterluvian on Friday March 29, 2019 @10:24AM (#19521937)
I want the Nintendo Switch of phones. I want to seamlessly walk off with it or put it into a dock and Bam, full desktop OS. But a good one. Not the janky answers that usually get posted in reply.
Re:The Death of External Storage: Where's Google? by _jal on Friday March 29, 2019 @10:47AM (#19522130)
Way back when the iPhone came out, I dreamed that it would turn in to an extension of one of Jobs' ideas for NeXT (in the original form, optical drives) - your home directory lives in your pocket, and plugs in to whatever machine you're in front of.

Never happened, and instead we got 19 flavors of "cloud sync", which doesn't solve the problem and has nasty security implications.

I still want my portable ~home.

Re:The Death of External Storage: Where's Google? by slacka on Friday March 29, 2019 @11:05AM (#19522315)
I traveled for a year with not just my ~home, but my entire OS, settings,and applications all on a portable USB flash drive.[1] The data was backed up in the cloud and the drive encrypted. If I justed need to review a file, I had cloud access and viewers on my phone. When I needed to do any real work, all I had to do was plug my flash drive into any PC with a USB port.

A high quality flash drive[2] boots up instantly and loads apps instantly. I can't work on a 3" screen and don't want to carry around anything any bigger. So for me this is a better solution than a docking station for my phone.

[1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Installing_Arch_Linux_o...

[2] https://shop.sandisk.com/store/sdiskus/en_US/pd/productID.52...

Re:The Death of External Storage: Where's Google? by Mediterraneo10 on Friday March 29, 2019 @12:04PM (#19522816)
What year was this? BIOS settings on PCs sold the last few years complicate booting from USB. Were you fiddling with BIOS settings on strangers' machines?

Also, in the case of public computers, the risk of keyloggers means you cannot trust the computer even if you boot your own OS.

Re:The Death of External Storage: Where's Google? by slacka on Friday March 29, 2019 @03:43PM (#19524915)
Actually done this twice, once in '10 and again in '16. BIOS issues only came up a few times in some chain cybercafes that were locked down. Never had any problem with the mom in pop cafes that were managed by hand. The rest of the time it was an office, friends/family, hotel, or my own laptop. In those cases, I didn't have to modify any BIOS, it was enough to boot with and pressing Esc, F1, or F12 to brings up the boot menu.

> risk of keyloggers means even if you boot your own OS.

While it's likely the OS of some of the machines I used were infected, the odds of them carrying firmware based backdoors was not a concern. The odds of getting dengue fever were far more likely than a hardware level hack. Those attacks are very hardware specific limiting the potential for widespread infection. At the time Snowden was still fresh on my mind. So I was more concerned with the NSA was sucking down all my emails / cloud data. There is only so much you can do.

Had I been using the OS on the cybercafes, I'm sure my risk of getting keylogged would have been 1000x more than using my own OS on their hardware.

Re:The Death of External Storage: Where's Google? by Mediterraneo10 on Saturday March 30, 2019 @10:08AM (#19529439)
I was talking about physical keyloggers, something not unknown in cybercafes. Booting your own OS doesn’t get around them.
Re:The Death of External Storage: Where's Google? by slacka on Saturday March 30, 2019 @12:21PM (#19530205)
When I plug in my USB key, I have to inspect in the back ports of the compute, where I easily can spot a hardware keylogger. I've never seen such a device in the wild. Sure it’s possible a cybercafé somewhere in the world has one... but how big a threat is this really? I'd say my risk of Dengue Fever was 10000x more likely than this. Never mind how easily it would be to detect.

How many of their users bring their own OS on a flash drive? In my travels, I only met only 1 other. One. He was running Tails. And as I said the chains with their management software and BIOS lockdown don't even allow this. So we're talking mom and pop cafes.

Now do you think those small time owners are going to spend their money to add this additional cost to spy on that one traveler who has his own OS? That make zero sense when they already control the OS and network. So much easier to spy on customers on that level. In that case, VPN + my own OS circumvents them.

Your paranoia only makes sense if I was going to DEF CON or some kind of a target of state level spying.

Re:The Death of External Storage: Where's Google? by Pxtl on Friday March 29, 2019 @10:40AM (#19522066)
Seriously, give me a phone running windows 10. Not windows 10 ME or some other special edition, just regular windows 10. They went to all the trouble to make the OS touch-friendly then failed to put it on a phone?
Re:The Death of External Storage: Where's Google? by klodolph on Friday March 29, 2019 @10:52AM (#19522186)
Microsoft did have Windows phone. Metro was an attempt to converge desktop, phone, and tablet environments. From what I hear, Windows phone was an excellent product, but it was late to market and did not have a healthy app ecosystem.

This would still be the case if you put Windows 10 desktop on a phone. The problem is that even though the Windows desktop has a healthy app ecosystem, these apps work poorly on touch devices. This is true for touch devices with large, high-quality screens (various desktops) and for smaller, more portable, but still high-quality screens (like the Surface). Rewriting an app to work well with touch turns out to be an enormous amount of work for the typical Windows app developer. This is true in the ideal case, for C# devs working with WPF/XAML, but it is much worse for devs working with older apps... WinForms, MVC, etc.

Without the desktop apps, you're left with something that is basically an also-ran in a market saturated by iOS and Android. In the meantime, the desktop experience is still not completely touch-friendly and has suffered from a fair amount of design damage in the process (e.g. two control panels). Any developer that would go through the process of getting their existing Windows app working with a touch UI is going to evaluate porting to iOS or Android, and probably prioritize those options.

Re:The Death of External Storage: Where's Google? by gwbas1c on Friday March 29, 2019 @01:43PM (#19523878)
Seems like a good startup idea, honestly. Might really work well if Android or iOs apps run well too.

[Edit]: I should also add that I really want the opposite of what you ask for. I really want my Android apps to also be available on my desktop PC. It would be really cool if I could plug my phone into a clamshell laptop-like device and have a big-screen experience.

Re:The Death of External Storage: Where's Google? by realusername on Friday March 29, 2019 @10:35AM (#19522025)
That's exactly what I want as well, phones are powerful enough to do that. I could even use the phone screen as a second screen terminal and type with my keyboard in both, switching with ctrl+something.

Everything is technically complicated on Android, I've also worked into customizing ROMs, trust me, Android kernel & top layer are so clunky that it's even a miracle that the phone is switching on. There's really nothing we can save from this garbage system. Sorry for the Android fans reading this but that's truly my personal opinion after digging into it for a few months. it's just piles and piles of hacks as far as the eye can see.

Re:The Death of External Storage: Where's Google? by Err_Eek on Friday March 29, 2019 @10:47AM (#19522129)
I think Ubuntu Touch was supposed to be that, but it ended up being a market failure

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Touch

Re:The Death of External Storage: Where's Google? by MayeulC on Friday March 29, 2019 @11:11AM (#19522350)
That, and plasma active on the KDE side.

On the upside, this is still being worked on. The UBports community is still active, and KDE has been refining its plasma mobile interface. Purism's librem 5 should be convergence-capable.

Window toolkits are also being developed to help create responsive applications: Kirigami and libhandy, to name a few.

On the non-opensource front, there is also Microsoft's UWP, and samsung's DeX is showing some promise.

We're getting there, but slower than anticipated. The EOMA68 is also a promising concept, though slightly different, and more similar to what the parent describes.

Re:The Death of External Storage: Where's Google? by platz on Friday March 29, 2019 @11:29AM (#19522507)
Re:The Death of External Storage: Where's Google? by Shorel on Friday March 29, 2019 @10:44AM (#19522096)
The market did vote against Ubuntu phone.

It was exactly what you describe now.

I am still sad about that.

Re:The Death of External Storage: Where's Google? by sithadmin on Friday March 29, 2019 @10:29AM (#19521974)
Samsung's DeX experience is pretty much there. At this point it's apps failing to account for user experience in desktop mode that 's holding it back from a usability perspective. Hopefully that'll change when Q Desk Mode is widely available.
Re:The Death of External Storage: Where's Google? by Datenstrom on Friday March 29, 2019 @10:29AM (#19521972)
I would probably buy a Nintendo phone if they made one. Maybe they should get into the phone business.
Re:The Death of External Storage: Where's Google? by dredmorbius on Friday March 29, 2019 @01:00PM (#19523444)
There were some such devices, running Windows, in the mid-2000s. Larry Augustin (Sugar CRM, VA Research) was associated with one start-up during his time at Azure Ventures.

Found the (ex)-firm: Oqo.

https://www.ft.com/content/5241d778-56d5-11da-b98c-00000e251...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OQO

https://www.slashgear.com/ces-2009-oqo-model-2-umpc-hands-on...

http://cf9e233f57bd4ae986b3-d4e74cbd2619c9a623339399e96f346b...

Re:The Death of External Storage: Where's Google? by johannes1234321 on Friday March 29, 2019 @10:59AM (#19522254)
I predict the iPhone to be something like that - the rumors on MacBooks on ARM are loud. Having the phone dock into a screen/keyboard/mouse workplace and displaying a mouse-friendly desktop isn't far of.
Re:The Death of External Storage: Where's Google? by Waterluvian on Friday March 29, 2019 @11:05AM (#19522313)
That's a future in which I would buy a $1000 Apple phone. And I think the tech is all there for Apple to do it.
Re:The Death of External Storage: Where's Google? by tyingq on Friday March 29, 2019 @11:12AM (#19522355)
It does also fit with Apple's desire for more reasons to pay a lot for a phone. They seem to be running lower on those than they used to.
Re:The Death of External Storage: Where's Google? by saiya-jin on Friday March 29, 2019 @11:41AM (#19522604)
But it won't be 1000$ anymore with the gradual price hikes. Expect at least 2000$ with reasoning about "all you ever need and much more"
Re:The Death of External Storage: Where's Google? by dmitriid on Friday March 29, 2019 @11:36AM (#19522561)
> Having the phone dock into a screen/keyboard/mouse workplace and displaying a mouse-friendly desktop isn't far of.

How do you imagine this would work even in theory? Running two OSes side-by-side (one when in phone mode, one when in desktop mode?).

Or running two largely incompatible desktop shells with largely incompatible interfaces for multiple apps (touch-optimised programs are very different from mouse-and-keyboard-optimised programs)?

Re:The Death of External Storage: Where's Google? by johannes1234321 on Friday March 29, 2019 @03:50PM (#19524996)
You don't need two OSes.

For applications there is lots of work to make it really nice. Putting mobile apps on "desktop" can be done, while user interface will be a bit strange. But that's a thing which needs time. Microsoft tried that by pushing mobile on desktop, but they didn't have the mobile story. Apple has notable Userbase on both.

Re:The Death of External Storage: Where's Google? by dmitriid on Saturday March 30, 2019 @05:15PM (#19531905)
So, who exactly is going to “put a lot of work to make apps behave properly in incompatible environments”.

Userbase has nothing to do with that.

Re:The Death of External Storage: Where's Google? by Folcon on Friday March 29, 2019 @10:35AM (#19522019)
I've been wanting this forever :)... I personally think there's demand for this, unfortunately I don't have the right background to prototype it.
Re:The Death of External Storage: Where's Google? by Ajedi32 on Friday March 29, 2019 @10:29AM (#19521971)
There are some indications that they might be working a feature like that: https://www.xda-developers.com/android-q-dark-theme-desktop-...
Re:The Death of External Storage: Where's Google? by verall on Friday March 29, 2019 @10:54AM (#19522212)
You could try to be just like the Switch with a Tegra and carry a Jetson around ;)

Pros:

* Unlocked OS

* Runs Linux

* Support great camera

* Good gpu; HDMI port

* "Portable"

Cons:

* No cellular radio

* Runs ubuntu

* Have to find a 19.2V battery solution

Re:The Death of External Storage: Where's Google? by rodgerd on Friday March 29, 2019 @02:44PM (#19524395)
I have a Lumia 950 I picked up cheap. It does almost exactly that.

Sadly WinPho was a distant third in a two-horse race.