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Re:How to Make Common Lisp go Faster Than C by jcromartie on Tuesday May 20, 2008 @02:03PM (#195087)
This scribd thing is getting ridiculous. Why not make it an opt-out arrangement for submitters?
Re:How to Make Common Lisp go Faster Than C by ExplodingBob on Tuesday May 20, 2008 @04:20PM (#195258)
The Scribd file was degraded in quality to absolute illegibility, I had to grab the original link out of the URL just so I could read it.

Opt-out? It's annoying. They should just stop doing it for everyone perhaps, or just use it as a backup in case the site is knocked off line by the influx of social news traffic.

Re:How to Make Common Lisp go Faster Than C by dpapathanasiou on Tuesday May 20, 2008 @02:17PM (#195102)
And while they're at it, they could also check for duplicate submissions: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=172432
Re:How to Make Common Lisp go Faster Than C by jcl on Tuesday May 20, 2008 @02:27PM (#195116)
They do check. The sequence of events here seems to be:

- Person submits PDF article.

- HN rewrites article to scribd link.

- People complain about scribd link.

- Admin manually corrects link to point directly to PDF.

- A month later, another person submits same PDF article.

- HN rewrites article to scribd link, but because the original article was manually corrected, the scribd link doesn't match the original article, so it doesn't register as a dupe.

Re:How to Make Common Lisp go Faster Than C by orib on Tuesday May 20, 2008 @02:40PM (#195125)
I sense that there's a simple solution to this. Perhaps we could drop the automatic scribdifynig of PDF links?
Re:How to Make Common Lisp go Faster Than C by dpapathanasiou on Tuesday May 20, 2008 @02:46PM (#195134)
I'm not sure why HN auto-posts to scridb.

If they're trying to send more traffic to that site, then we're S.O.L.

OTOH, if they're just trying to increase the number of documents in scribd's repository, then a parallel submission process would be the solution.

I.e., keep HN posts pointing to the original pdf, but also auto-submit to scribe, behind the scenes in a separate thread.

Re:How to Make Common Lisp go Faster Than C by jcl on Tuesday May 20, 2008 @02:59PM (#195148)
To be fair, the purpose of HN is to serve YC -- that's why we don't see ads on the site. People have suggested not scribd-ing everything before; I can only assume that the reason this has not yet happened is because the feedback we are providing is more valuable to YC than a few upset readers.

And this may well be the case: When most people have problems accessing a web page one way, they won't tell you directly; instead, they'll try to find another way to access it or give up. By providing only one way to read PDFs on a discussion board, you get access to this otherwise invisible negative feedback.

Re:How to Make Common Lisp go Faster Than C by dreish on Tuesday May 20, 2008 @03:12PM (#195164)
Yes, but not every idea turns out to be a good one.

Based on the unanimous jeers every time a PDF submission gets autoconverted, scribd appears not to be one of the good ones. Maybe it's time to try something else.

Re:How to Make Common Lisp go Faster Than C by dbrush on Wednesday May 21, 2008 @06:29AM (#195884)
It isn't unanimous.
Re:How to Make Common Lisp go Faster Than C by fff123 on Tuesday May 20, 2008 @04:46PM (#195297)
> the purpose of HN is to serve YC -- that's why we don't see ads on the site.

We don't see ads because the site is run by millionaires and hardly takes any computing resources or bandwidth.

Re:How to Make Common Lisp go Faster Than C by icey on Tuesday May 20, 2008 @07:25PM (#195443)
I assume you remember how those millionaires got to be that way and what they're doing these days, right?
Re:How to Make Common Lisp go Faster Than C by dpapathanasiou on Tuesday May 20, 2008 @02:30PM (#195119)
But wouldn't either the original pdf link or the resulting scribd link show up as a duplicate in HN's dupe checker, since both were in the submitted list at one time or another?
Re:How to Make Common Lisp go Faster Than C by jcl on Tuesday May 20, 2008 @02:37PM (#195123)
Look at the link in http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=172432 ... It's been changed from the scribd link to the original pdf file. I'm guessing they only check for dupes against a list of the current article links, and that they don't maintain a separate list of submitted links (which, except for cases like this one, would be the same list).
Re:How to Make Common Lisp go Faster Than C by dpapathanasiou on Tuesday May 20, 2008 @02:40PM (#195126)
It's been changed from the scribd link to the original pdf file.

Ah, I didn't see that (I thought once it's been trans-scribd, it stays that way).

But that raises another question: if http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=172432 points to the original pdf (i.e., http://www.lrde.epita.fr/~didier/research/verna.06.imecs.pdf) and the guy who submitted this also posted the same original pdf link, why wasn't it detected as a dupe right then?

Re:How to Make Common Lisp go Faster Than C by jcl on Tuesday May 20, 2008 @02:42PM (#195130)
The scribdfication must take place before duplicate-checking.