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Re:U.S. teens are spending less time with their friends in p... by frosted-flakes on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @09:43PM (#19497535)
What kind of knives are we talking about? Are even mini Swiss Army knives with 1.5" blades banned? What about a multi-tool like a Leatherman Wave, which has three 3" blades along with pliers, etc? I carry my leatherman everywhere I go, and wouldn't blink if I saw a 14 year old with one. Ontario, Canada.
Re:U.S. teens are spending less time with their friends in p... by Zenst on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @10:33PM (#19497748)
The official line is:- https://www.police.uk/crime-prevention-advice/possession-of-...

However, interpretation of what threatening is varies and for some people say walking a dog, the sight of a knife of any form would be a call to the police - however legal or not. This and the internet has demonstrated time and time again, that whatever is said or done - their will always be some who will take offence.

Take a look at - https://www.knifefree.co.uk/ which is linked upon that page. Can see what type of message they are putting out regarding knives, do recommend doing that quiz. Also interesting is the boss button on the right (quick exit from site onto google).

But then the UK is very London centric in how laws and rules get driven and more so - enforced. Compared to Canada, in which you have more wilderness, the social culture is more at ease and as such the law/system - less reactionary. Equally you have whole area's in which people don't lock their doors. Unheard of in today's times in the UK alas (though I'm sure there are small hamlets of hope). Though was common in the past, even in London.

Re:U.S. teens are spending less time with their friends in p... by chillingeffect on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @12:55AM (#19498269)
Wow, so if I, say buy a cooking knife and get "caught" carrying it home from the store, "A court will decide if you’ve got a good reason to carry a knife if you’re charged with carrying it illegally."

Or if I take a chef's knife to a friend's house to cook dinner with them, the same court will intervene? Presumably following an arrest?

That second link is just so creepy to me (pacifist American). I can see how it uses language in such an incriminating way. It's so absolute: "When you carry a knife, you're risking everything." That's a sublime exaggeration. Worst case, I'm risking one life. Not trivial, but a far cry from "everything."

"knife crime has devastating personal effects on you, your friends, and your family." Meh, it may. But mostly it sounds like the effects are all visited on me by the government. Icky, over-reaching and emasculating.

I can see how it gives people who are already good the warm fuzzies, but actual criminals will mock and sneer at this "effort." ...and it looks like "knife crime" (as opposed to say "burglary" or "homicide", actual crimes, not crimes directed by a specific weapon (again with that authoritarian language)) has nearly doubled in the last 5 years, so great job with your authoritarian campaign, UK! /s https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42749089

Re:U.S. teens are spending less time with their friends in p... by DanBC on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @03:22AM (#19498712)
You've been given misinformation.

If you're carrying a cooking knife there's no reason to stop you or search you. But if somehow there is a reason to stop and search you, and you have your new knife in its packaging with a receipt the police will say "what's this?" and you'll say "it's a cooking knife I've just bought and am taking home" and they'll say no more about it unless eg you have a conviction for stabbing people or you have a restraining order against you because you've threatened to kill someone.

Re:U.S. teens are spending less time with their friends in p... by dsfyu404ed on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @07:51AM (#19499931)
So convicted criminals and people with restraining orders have to have someone straw purchase the items required to have a properly outfitted kitchen?

In one of the Chinese social credit comment threads someone said "well of course people who haven't run a foul of an authoritarian system generally approve of it" and I think that applies here too.

Re:U.S. teens are spending less time with their friends in p... by Ntrails on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @07:49AM (#19499919)
Precisely. I could entirely legally carry my knife roll on the train up to my friend in Leeds, and if stopped explain "I'm intending to cook whilst there, these are my knives for doing so". The police have every right to corroborate this story, but there is no crime there.

The thing I've potentially fallen foul of is a chunky pocket knife I keep with my climbing/camping gear bag and have on occasion forgotten to remove before going to indoor walls in London. I suspect I'd potentially be told off a bit for that, but again no fear of being charged with anything.

Re:U.S. teens are spending less time with their friends in p... by Symbiote on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @03:37AM (#19498761)
Back to reality, there's no problem with all reasonable purposes to carry a knife, like after purchase or for cooking. There's no problem carrying a Swiss Army knife. The police aren't looking for knives like this, and if they do find one for some reason, they are very unlikely to arrest you.

If you've gone to a bar after your dinner party, and you're carrying the "cooking" knife somewhere accessible (like your pocket), that could be a problem for you.

Children in rough areas should interpret the rules less favourably.

Re:U.S. teens are spending less time with their friends in p... by logfromblammo on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @12:03PM (#19502285)
The non-locking 3-inch blade of a Swiss Army knife is not good as a weapon. If you ever need to use a Swiss Army knife for self-defense, flip out one of the half-length, center-mount tools--like the corkscrew, Phillips-head screwdriver, or preferably the awl--and hold the body of the knife in your palm, with the tool extending between middle and ring fingers. Then punch with it, until you get an opportunity to escape.

If you try to cut someone with the knife blade, you'll likely end up breaking it off or closing it on your own fingers. A knife weapon absolutely needs to have a fixed or locking blade.

And that's why a police officer will never have a problem with a non-locking pocketknife. A cop might. A pig definitely will. As long as the latter exist, you might as well carry a tool-knife with a "legitimate purpose" that can also be used as a weapon-knife if necessary, because following the spirit of the law won't help you it a letter-of-the-law bastard gets it in his head to screw you over.

Re:U.S. teens are spending less time with their friends in p... by xNyC on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @07:03AM (#19499677)
Perhaps you want to increase survival chances against people with legal weapons (aka dogs):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_England_a...

This whole thing is just nonsense and another form of humiliation of the oppressed by "the" "state".

Re:U.S. teens are spending less time with their friends in p... by RugnirViking on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @08:21AM (#19500121)
And yet somehow millions of us manage to survive largly without incident into adulthood. Incredible!

It's almost as if this is an incredibly minor consideration.

Re:U.S. teens are spending less time with their friends in p... by Simon_says on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @02:12AM (#19498509)
That looks like a parody website. Just to be clear, though, it's not, right?
Re:U.S. teens are spending less time with their friends in p... by Symbiote on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @03:40AM (#19498766)
It is not.

A website is a much cheaper way of "doing something" than solving the underlying problems of poverty and drug violence.

This surprised me: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/mar/09/british-soma...

Re:U.S. teens are spending less time with their friends in p... by Zak on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @10:20PM (#19497706)
UK law is that a folding knife under 3" is generally legal to carry in public. Anything else requires a "good reason", which can be problematic if the cop/judge doesn't see things your way. A court ruling some time ago decided that a folding knife with a locking mechanism is actually a fixed blade and therefore not generally legal to carry.

Traditional Swiss Army Knives are non-locking and most of them are under 3". Most modern multitools do have locking blades and would run afoul of the aforementioned court ruling. I'm not sure if being under 18 changes things, but it very well might given the UK has such a hostile attitude toward teenagers that it popularized the use of a low-grade sonic weapon to discourage their presence in public spaces (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mosquito).

Re:U.S. teens are spending less time with their friends in p... by darkpuma on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @10:35PM (#19497753)
Sounds like the leatherman I had as a teenager would be illegal then; that's pretty nuts. The most dangerous thing I ever did with it was take apart a microwave oven, and that didn't even involve the blade.
Re:U.S. teens are spending less time with their friends in p... by tikkabhuna on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @05:59AM (#19499394)
I have a leatherman in London with a locking blade. It was a Christmas present from my dad and I emailed the local police about the legality of it.

Ultimately, if you're walking round with it in the bottom of your bag and you have a use for it, you'll be fine. They're looking to stop people from having it in their pocket as they're walking round town. Same with the kitchen knives, got it down the back of your trousers 11pm loitering around, they're gonna get you.

They're legal to have at home as well, and can be bought on Amazon.

Re:U.S. teens are spending less time with their friends in p... by darkpuma on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @03:36PM (#19505044)
That doesn't sound very reasonable to me. Is my pocket not a perfectly reasonable place to put my leatherman? It takes many seconds to unfold it and then unfold the blade, it's not exactly a switchblade. I'm not doing dance battles in the streets against the Sharks and Jets with it (is that really what London is like?)

Carrying around a bag when I'm out and about town is a bad habit I broke myself from a few years ago, but supposing it were in my backpack instead of my pocket, what's the difference? Probably three or four seconds to retrieve it, on top of probably about 10 or so to unfold it and then unfold the blade as well.

For this to even be a shade of gray is ridiculous.

Re:U.S. teens are spending less time with their friends in p... by Symbiote on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @07:48PM (#19507512)
> I'm not doing dance battles in the streets against the Sharks and Jets with it (is that really what London is like?)

I had to look that up, but the rate of incidents suggests that for some teenagers in London, it could be like that.

> supposing it were in my backpack instead of my pocket, what's the difference?

You are not "armed", it's not available for use to make an opportunistic attack or defence. "Don't run off, I need to get my knife out of my bag!"

(Do note that the knife violence is almost entirely within [youth] gangs, and shouldn't be a worry for anyone considering visiting London.)

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/knifecrime

Re:U.S. teens are spending less time with their friends in p... by darkpuma on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @07:59PM (#19507600)
This article from that link (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/mar/14/knife-and-we...) suggests 21 thousand knife incidents in 2018 across all of England and Wales, the combined population of which is nearly 60 million people.

The whole thing seems like an overblown hysteria to me. 21 thousand sounds like a lot until you put it into perspective. How low does that number have to get before knife regulations are walked back and people are given their rights back?

Re:U.S. teens are spending less time with their friends in p... by skookumchuck on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @01:20AM (#19498331)
> What kind of knives are we talking about?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQrLPtr_ikE