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Re:European Parliament approves copyright reform by DarkWiiPlayer on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @08:44AM (#19491232)
Maybe someone can explain to me why the hell France (or the rest of the EU) even cares about where Germany gets their gas from in the first place?
Re:European Parliament approves copyright reform by blago on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @09:54AM (#19491798)
Because the EU policy on energy is to promote diversification and not allow Russia to use their status as an indispensable supplier to impose their geopolitical will and monopolistic pricing.

That was the rationale when the EU killed South Stream - a proposed pipeline from Russia through the Black Sea and south Europe. Some of the countries involved had already made large investments and had great hopes for the pipeline which would have generated transit fees.

Germany's push for Nord Stream 2 - a more or less direct pipeline from Russia - today feels self-serving and hypocritical. It looks like Germany is abandoning its obligations while smaller and less wealthy countries had paid the price.

Re:European Parliament approves copyright reform by activis on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @09:47AM (#19491736)
Nord Stream 2 would make gas system in Ukraine vurnable and allows further military escalation from Russia side, as it would be possible to transport gas via Nord Stream 2. This would make peace in EU under question also since aggression won't be in Ukraine only in case it escalates.

Also Nord Stream 2 would make Germany more dependent on Russia gas.

At the same time US wants to have EU and Germany on their side in fight agains China + sell resources to EU. Germany on the other side does not like "being controlled" and has some attraction to Russia. There are thoughts that Germany may want to make an allience with Russia to weaken US influence on EU.

I belive it is just a surface of what is happenning. And it is all related to "peace/war" questions, who are allies to whom, global market shares, etc.

It is not just some "stupid decision", there are lots of issues hidden under the hood. And more such decisions to come in the nearest future I belive.

Re:European Parliament approves copyright reform by DarkWiiPlayer on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @10:39AM (#19492243)
> Germany on the other side does not like "being controlled" and has some attraction to Russia.

Being German myself, I don't think it has so much to do with being controlled or not, but the difference between several powers having some degree of influence vs. one having it all. Russia and the USA are certainly two very big players in world politics, and Germany already seems to have plenty of co-dependence with the United States.

I don't mean to say Nord Stream 2 is necessarily a good thing, but I do believe that some of the powers involved don't seek this balance as much as just to isolate Russia.

Re:European Parliament approves copyright reform by activis on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @10:53AM (#19492381)
Sure. I agree. I used "controlled" word as some kind of abstraction. It is more about influence.

From ukrainian point of view Germany seems to forget about risks of not isolating Russia after Russia annexed territories and invaded several countries. WW2 did begin some kind of similarly as I understand: countries were seeking for "balance" and didn not want to make any rough decisions which could influence their economics in a "bad" way. The result was not very good.

I understand that every country has interests. But in this very case we see that Germany is already buying russian gas through ukrainian gas system without any issues besides risks intriduced by Russia itself. So Nord Stream 2 is more about relationships and not the gas or economics alone.

At the moment we see Article 11 and 13 approved as a consequence. And it is just the beginning.

Re:European Parliament approves copyright reform by mantas on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @01:48PM (#19494261)
And in this case it means Russia gains much more influence over eastern Europe. As a Lithuanian, I'd rather isolate Russia much more and have more dependency on US.
Re:European Parliament approves copyright reform by 1337biz on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @08:55AM (#19491307)
Because one of the hidden games played in the EU is 'keep the Germans in check'. Some might even say this was one of the original intentions behind the foundation of the EU as a 'peace upholding structure' across Europe.
Re:European Parliament approves copyright reform by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @09:26AM (#19491547)
> why the hell France (or the rest of the EU) even cares about where Germany gets their gas from in the first place?

For the same reasons New York might care how Alaska gets its energy. Climate change concerns. Concerns that a fellow voting union member is building critical economic and energy ties with an authoritarian regime. (More selfishly, perhaps, because New York wants to sell them its own energy.)

Re:European Parliament approves copyright reform by DarkWiiPlayer on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @10:42AM (#19492282)
> Climate change concerns.

For Germany, the alternative currently seems to be coal, which is one of the reasons I find this somewhat annoying. If it was a matter of "Nord Stream 2 or wind energy" I'd say "fuck that Russian gas, let's go green!" But alas, that's not what this is about.

Re:European Parliament approves copyright reform by icebraining on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @09:21AM (#19491504)
Who says they do? What matters is that their vote is power they can leverage to push the stuff they do care about.
Re:European Parliament approves copyright reform by maxmunzel on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @08:58AM (#19491329)
Re:European Parliament approves copyright reform by swebs on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @09:49AM (#19491755)
I don't see anything about France. Just that Eastern European countries don't like that the pipeline allows them to be bypassed.
Re:European Parliament approves copyright reform by TomMarius on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @08:47AM (#19491250)
And then someone could explain why should I, a citizen of another country that's very far away from France, need to care about that
Re:European Parliament approves copyright reform by DarkWiiPlayer on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @09:00AM (#19491347)
Luckily for you, there's no EU regulation (yet) saying you do ;)