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Re:Apple announces Apple Card credit card by lawnchair_larry on Monday March 25, 2019 @06:38PM (#19487404)
> but the US legal system doesn't allow the government to compel them to make that kind of change.

Source? I’m pretty sure the legal system does allow that.

Re:Apple announces Apple Card credit card by eridius on Monday March 25, 2019 @08:35PM (#19488158)
The legal system lets them say "you already have the information? Great, give it to me". It doesn't let them say "you have to redesign your systems to collect information that you explicitly told your users you aren't collecting".

I don't have a direct citation for you, besides having seen this spoken about before, but a simple thought exercise should prove it: If the government could compel that sort of thing, then we wouldn't have end-to-end encrypted chat (including iMessage) and the government would have already compelled Apple to give the government a backdoor into iPhones.

Re:Apple announces Apple Card credit card by lsiebert on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @05:28AM (#19490289)
I personally want the law to say that but:

The FBI took a different view in a recent court case referencing the All Writs act of 1789 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI%E2%80%93Apple_encryption_d... but dropped it when they unlocked the device by other means., and the issue hasn't really made it through the court system, so it's unclear what the law requires.

Until a federal case gets to the appeals court level it basically won't establish any binding precedent in other cases under stare decisis.

Re:Apple announces Apple Card credit card by eridius on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @02:26PM (#19494637)
Good news is the FBI doesn't write the law. My recollection is the general consensus was the FBI was severely overreaching and was going to lose their court case.
Re:Apple announces Apple Card credit card by lsiebert on Tuesday March 26, 2019 @11:07PM (#19497877)
I mean that's what I think, but general consensus also doesn't write the law, unfortunately.
Re:Apple announces Apple Card credit card by durkie on Monday March 25, 2019 @09:57PM (#19488638)
I think under the construct that computer code is a means of expression protected under the first amendment, the US government requiring Apple to implement a code change would be considered a form of compelled speech.