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Re:Apple announces Apple Card credit card by joefife on Monday March 25, 2019 @01:59PM (#19484887)
How is that an innovation? You're describing Charge Cards
Re:Apple announces Apple Card credit card by tedivm on Monday March 25, 2019 @02:02PM (#19484927)
Charge cards are not what's being described here. If you have an Amex "charge card" (not one of their credit cards) you do have to pay late fees if you miss a payment.

Charge cards generally force you to pay them off each month (again, an Amex charge card expects you to clear out the balance for each cycle). This is a credit card, which means you can carry a balance.

Re:Apple announces Apple Card credit card by ocdtrekkie on Monday March 25, 2019 @02:02PM (#19484921)
I've... actually never heard of these. Why isn't this more popular?
Re:Apple announces Apple Card credit card by tedivm on Monday March 25, 2019 @02:04PM (#19484946)
Once debit cards came out charge cards lost a lot of their appeal. Charge cards also tend to have a higher yearly fee (an Amex Platinum is $550 a year) because they aren't making money off of interest (although it should be noted they are making money off of the merchants who accept them).
Re:Apple announces Apple Card credit card by bunderbunder on Monday March 25, 2019 @02:08PM (#19485006)
Not allowing you to carry a balance makes the card less flexible, since it takes away the ability to use the card to finance items you can't afford to pay in full right now.

At least in the US, charge cards also (historically) charged higher fees to retailers, so a lot of stores wouldn't accept them.

Re:Apple announces Apple Card credit card by throw0101a on Monday March 25, 2019 @02:22PM (#19485182)
> [...] ability to use the card to finance items you can't afford to pay in full right now.

Given the rates charged by many cards, I'm not sure you'd want to do that. The US has an average of 15%:

* https://www.creditkarma.com/credit-cards/i/average-apr-on-cr... * https://www.valuepenguin.com/average-credit-card-interest-ra...

Re:Apple announces Apple Card credit card by vxNsr on Monday March 25, 2019 @02:56PM (#19485585)
So much this. I've never carried a balance on a card that charges interest. but I would be more open to the idea if they charged interest more inline with market loan rates. 15-35% is insane.
Re:Apple announces Apple Card credit card by bunderbunder on Monday March 25, 2019 @03:23PM (#19485885)
35% seems pretty high, but I think you'd find that, far from being insane, the bottom portion of that range is right in line with what's typical for unsecured debt.

You can't really compare it to mortgages or car loans, because those are both secured by a collateral. You can't really compare it to student loans because it's impossible to get out from under a student loan. Either way, the debt is less risky for the lender, so they're willing to offer it for a lower rate.

Re:Apple announces Apple Card credit card by bunderbunder on Monday March 25, 2019 @03:17PM (#19485815)
I've done it before.

Never for truly big ticket items, but sometimes the $5 or whatever in interest to carry a small balance for a month isn't worth the extra effort it would take to free up the cash I'd need to pay it off in full without dipping below the minimum balance I like to keep in my checking account, and it's also not worth $5 to me to wait another month before replacing that busted transmission.

Re:Apple announces Apple Card credit card by throw0101a on Monday March 25, 2019 @07:52PM (#19487923)
> I've done it before.

It depends on the matter of scale. Some folks either don't understand how things work, or are just bad at math. That's where the problems start for people.

Re:Apple announces Apple Card credit card by awad on Monday March 25, 2019 @02:40PM (#19485404)
American Express offers both credit cards and charge cards. The "black card" might be the most well known of all cards and its only real limit is AMEX's judgement of your ability to repay the charges.
Re:Apple announces Apple Card credit card by tedivm on Monday March 25, 2019 @03:56PM (#19486184)
The same applies to the Platinum Card- it defaults to being a charge card but they offer people a built in credit card as well. The interest rate on it is insane though, so even though I have it as an option I've literally never used it as a credit card.
Re:Apple announces Apple Card credit card by ryanhuff on Monday March 25, 2019 @02:04PM (#19484953)
Marketing? I suspect that charge cards are more likely to charge an annual fee, since there's not interest income from carrying a balance.