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Re:Facebook Stored Hundreds of Millions of User Passwords in... by dumbfounder on Thursday March 21, 2019 @12:42PM (#19454377)
Yes but how many people looked at these logs, saw the passwords, and said nothing? If it was logged presumably the logs were viewed from time to time. The mistake is easy to make, but it's also easy to correct if there is a culture to report such mistakes.
Re:Facebook Stored Hundreds of Millions of User Passwords in... by code_duck on Thursday March 21, 2019 @01:00PM (#19454589)
The article indicates it was searchable and used for something by employees, so most of these comments to the effect of ‘they must have been doing this accidentally because Facebook is just so big therefore they are excused’ are invalid. Some group of people did this on purpose and knew it was happening.
Re:Facebook Stored Hundreds of Millions of User Passwords in... by chatmasta on Thursday March 21, 2019 @01:40PM (#19455101)
You're probably being downvoted for speculation, but that sounds completely reasonable to me. At least one person had to have noticed a password in a log file they were viewing at some time. Most people viewing log files know that passwords should not be there. It would trigger alarm bells, and depending on the person, also excitement -- you have somebody's facebook password.

It's conceivable that someone then told their friend at work, and a few of these 2,000 developers knew of this secret internal stash of passwords they could access whenever they wanted to "prank" someone on facebook...

Re:Facebook Stored Hundreds of Millions of User Passwords in... by YokoZar on Thursday March 21, 2019 @06:52PM (#19458151)
Why would humans be reading these log files?
Re:Facebook Stored Hundreds of Millions of User Passwords in... by chatmasta on Thursday March 21, 2019 @08:50PM (#19458780)
For plenty of reasons, I'm sure. From the article:

> My Facebook insider said access logs showed some 2,000 engineers or developers made approximately nine million internal queries for data elements that contained plain text user passwords.

Re:Facebook Stored Hundreds of Millions of User Passwords in... by YokoZar on Thursday March 21, 2019 @11:55PM (#19459496)
That doesn't sound like a human reading the log. It sounds like automation.

A script counting the number of successful logins, for instance, could read the same data element that unintentionally contained passwords.

Re:Facebook Stored Hundreds of Millions of User Passwords in... by code_duck on Friday March 22, 2019 @05:03PM (#19466940)
We don’t have enough information to make that judgment.
Re:Facebook Stored Hundreds of Millions of User Passwords in... by code_duck on Friday March 22, 2019 @05:02PM (#19466933)
When you’re developing a feature like this, don’t you look at the data that you’re logging in to make sure things are working properly? I would imagine that Facebook has many layers of abstraction, but in somewhere, incompetence or inattention must be involved, sometimes known as negligence, if not outright knowledge of this. The definition of that is a complex thing, but if someone could have reasoned that this was logging plaintext passwords, and either saw it and didn’t bother to change things, or didn’t think about it carefully enough to realize that it was doing this, it would be considered negligent. I know that I would feel that my trust in this organization has been betrayed, as a user.
Re:Facebook Stored Hundreds of Millions of User Passwords in... by tptacek on Thursday March 21, 2019 @05:40PM (#19457635)
The logs being in a searchable index makes it more likely that the password storage was inadvertent, not less. It implies that the primary usage model for the logs was targeted queries, not people starting at the top of the logs and reading down in such a way that nothing could have been missed.
Re:Facebook Stored Hundreds of Millions of User Passwords in... by code_duck on Friday March 22, 2019 @05:11PM (#19467015)
My interpretation was that they were using the plaintext password as one of the searchable fields, presumably for development related to authentication.
Re:Facebook Stored Hundreds of Millions of User Passwords in... by wlesieutre on Thursday March 21, 2019 @12:50PM (#19454464)
That's true. Kerbs article says:

> My Facebook insider said access logs showed some 2,000 engineers or developers made approximately nine million internal queries for data elements that contained plain text user passwords.

Re:Facebook Stored Hundreds of Millions of User Passwords in... by meitme on Thursday March 21, 2019 @01:17PM (#19454817)
Those numbers are pretty meaningless without some concept of what queries they were making. When I was working with large logs I'd regularly pull huge amounts of logs to only look at maybe a handful of lines. Even then often only scanning for the things I'm specifically working on. Not saying this is what happened just saying those 2,000 employees almost definitely were not doing careful analysis on the complete result of their 9 million queries(And shouldn't have!).
Re:Facebook Stored Hundreds of Millions of User Passwords in... by anigbrowl on Thursday March 21, 2019 @02:55PM (#19456025)
'Only scanning for the things one is working on' to the point of missing huge security holes or safety risks is exactly that's wrong with the industrial division-of-labor approach. Workers start to assume that even if they do notice a problem, someone else is either going to fix it or has examined and OKed the current procedure. Workers who speak up and assert that something they noticed actually looks more important than whatever task they were originally assigned to are typically punished rather than rewarded, and fired if they make too much of a fuss because otherwise managerial authority might be diminished. Most firms run internally like a dictatorship, and given Facebook's absurd ownership structure (where there are voting and non-voting shares Zuckerberg retains a majority of the voting shares) it's a recipe for dysfunction.
Re:Facebook Stored Hundreds of Millions of User Passwords in... by tptacek on Thursday March 21, 2019 @05:42PM (#19457659)
This is true but not very interesting. Like literally every large tech company in the entire industry, Facebook has a specialized team of people that work on security --- it has one of the better versions of that team, for what it's worth. Just like ordinary Apple engineers, ordinary Google engineers, ordinary LinkedIn engineers, and ordinary Airbnb engineers, ordinary Facebook engineers don't have an end-to-end picture of how all of security at Facebook works.

There's no evidence that there was whistleblowing suppression about this issue anywhere at Facebook, is there?

Re:Facebook Stored Hundreds of Millions of User Passwords in... by mk89 on Thursday March 21, 2019 @01:54PM (#19455266)
Out of 2000 users, there was not one that had a look at username/password? Impressive. Also developers during dev. Seriously, this is not justifiable, it's pure laziness if we want to be positive.
Re:Facebook Stored Hundreds of Millions of User Passwords in... by vijay_n on Thursday March 21, 2019 @04:14PM (#19456759)
What if one among the 2000 was curious ?
Re:Facebook Stored Hundreds of Millions of User Passwords in... by rmason on Thursday March 21, 2019 @11:42PM (#19459461)
Zuck doesn't believe in hiring employees over 30 because they're not 'smart' about tech. Great example why that's a mistake.

If he did, someone would have seen that with 10-15 years of corporate experience and would have found that simply unacceptable. They also would have had the gravitas to know how to escalate things to the top and gotten it fixed.