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Re:Society Needs an Alternative Web by Arathorn on Thursday March 21, 2019 @04:06AM (#19450011)
The way to decentralise without the risk of inherent centralisation is to go p2p. If everyone installing an app runs their own instance and doesn’t need to pick a server, then the efficiency gains of a server drop off massively.

This is why we’re hoping to steer Matrix from being decentralised-at-the-servers to being decentralised-at-the-clients.

Re:Society Needs an Alternative Web by SamPatt on Thursday March 21, 2019 @08:14AM (#19451390)
There is a major hurdle in getting people to install their own servers though.

We've seen this with OpenBazaar. It makes p2p pretty simple out of the box but if it's not in browser or a mobile app many won't even try it once.

Re:Society Needs an Alternative Web by anderspitman on Thursday March 21, 2019 @01:41PM (#19455125)
Something like Sandstorm[0] might be able to solve this, since then a person would hypothetically only need a single server (with a nice web interface) that they install all their decentralized apps into. In practice I think modifying the apps to be compatible is too much overhead. But I think something in the same vein could work.

I'm sure @kentonv has some ideas on what the main roadblocks to adoption are.

[0] https://sandstorm.io/

Re:Society Needs an Alternative Web by antocv on Thursday March 21, 2019 @04:08AM (#19450022)
Cryptocurrencies are p2p yet centralized, bittorrent is p2p, yet a few search-engines and trackers compared to clients.
Re:Society Needs an Alternative Web by palunon on Thursday March 21, 2019 @06:19AM (#19450607)
>yet a few search-enginescompared to clients

Bittorrent doesn't have a search engine, so of course they are not decentralized.

> yet a few trackers compared to clients

Well, not if you count the DHT (the decentralized tracker).

Re:Society Needs an Alternative Web by Arathorn on Thursday March 21, 2019 @04:14AM (#19450049)
well, you don’t gave to have a tracker to seed p2p, and they don’t have to cause centralisation. search engines can and should also be decentralised :)
Re:Society Needs an Alternative Web by pferde on Thursday March 21, 2019 @04:12AM (#19450044)
Is there any write-up regarding Matrix plans on this topic, please? Genuinely curious.
Re:Society Needs an Alternative Web by rakoo on Thursday March 21, 2019 @11:32AM (#19453479)
Seconded, having the full Matrix way of architecting data synchronization available from any endpoint is something that can truly change the field.