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Re:Kickstarter’s staff is unionizing by conanbatt on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @07:14PM (#19437135)
Higher worker productivity achieved those things, not unions.

Those gains so-called 'worker rights' were achieved in countries without unions as well. It's also unmentioned how much unemployment and misery unions also caused in this narrative.

Re:Kickstarter’s staff is unionizing by fwip on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @07:21PM (#19437200)
Higher worker productivity naturally leads to shortened hours? No wonder we've all got 15 hour workweeks now.
Re:Kickstarter’s staff is unionizing by conanbatt on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @07:29PM (#19437276)
Better be damn sure about that. If you want to live like a worker in the 1850's, you can work 1/5 what they worked.
Re:Kickstarter’s staff is unionizing by kennywinker on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @10:56PM (#19438498)
No - higher productivity made it _possible_ but unionized workers fought and died to make it actually happen.
Re:Kickstarter’s staff is unionizing by mcv on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @09:43AM (#19442018)
What unionless countries achieved these things? It seems to me that workers in countries with unions tend to have far better working conditions than those in countries without unions. The only alternative to unions to get these things is to get them directly enshrined in law, but in most countries that only happened after unions fought for it.
Re:Kickstarter’s staff is unionizing by conanbatt on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @05:42PM (#19447265)
> What unionless countries achieved these things? It seems to me that workers in countries with unions tend to have far better working conditions than those in countries without union

Beware of correlation/causation. Unions that represent the highest earning workers are the strongest, because the strongest workers already have the highest bargaining power and the highest salaries.

A modern example of what productivity does to working conditions is in SV, where the unionized workers have less perks than the un-unionized ones.

Historically unions are always tied with: import restrictions, protection from competition, minimum wage laws (that dont apply to themselves), unemployment (the best way to increase wages for a union is to cut supply short).

As a nice example, Argentina has unions with constitutional level protections since the 50's, and unemployment is up, working conditions are down, poverty is up, import restrictions are up and minimum wage laws are up: result, 40% of the population works under the table, and union workers have some of the highest wages in the country.

You will seldom find improving working conditions without notable increase in GDP per capita.

Re:Kickstarter’s staff is unionizing by notSupplied on Friday March 22, 2019 @08:55PM (#19468325)
Exactly. Look at LA Teachers unions demanding cap on charter schools.

Charter school teachers are non-unionized, so this demand harms the pay of non-unionized "outsiders". If they succeed, they can parade the statistic that "Unionized teachers have gained income over non-unionized teachers thanks to the wonderful work of unions", when in fact what they have really done is transfer wealth from outsiders to insiders.