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Re:Java 12 by jm4 on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @06:35PM (#19436794)
Do you know anything about Java? I'm not trying to be insulting. Java has its problems, but your points are so far off the mark. Applets haven't been a thing for 20 years and I'm not sure they were a thing then either. Do you know people make web apps in Java and there's a ton of quality open source libraries out there?
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Re:Java 12 by ilovecaching on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @06:46PM (#19436900)
I developed Java (Swing, Spring, JavaFX), managed tomcat deployments, good stuff.

I think my question is, do most Java developers really know what goes outside of their window? Every language has a good story for web apps these days. The web is ubiquitous. You can write in Phoenix, Cowboy, Rails, Sinatra, Express, "net/http", Django, Laravel, Flask, Rocket... Java is literally middle of the pack at best. So that's not a compelling reason to use Java. So then we have to look at the rest of Java. Is there anything else in there that would make it better for web dev than a simple Go/Ruby/Python/Javascript/Rust/Elixir app? No? Ok, then let's not use Java. Java excels at being mediocre at everything, but the best at nothing.

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Re:Java 12 by pjmlp on Tuesday March 19, 2019 @06:50PM (#19436936)
We rather enjoy the state of the art IDEs, JIT and GC compilers from Java and .NET, while slowly enjoying watching hipster startups rewrite their stacks when customers come flooding in.

Ask Twitter how their Rails apps is holding on.

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Re:Java 12 by jacques_chester on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @07:45AM (#19441105)
> Java is literally middle of the pack at best

A warm JVM is faster than a greased millenium falcon.

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Re:Java 12 by james_s_tayler on Wednesday March 20, 2019 @03:09AM (#19439719)
Worked on a project to replace all Applets in a large enterprise product just a couple of years ago.

There is a lot of software running in this world. Some of it is very long lived.

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