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Re:Bird lays off up to 5% of workforce by ceejayoz on Thursday March 14, 2019 @09:41PM (#19395708)
That $5-50k is amortized over decades, though.

Bird's scooters cost ~$500, probably make under a buck a ride in profits, and I suspect their average lifetime is well under 500 rides.

Re:Bird lays off up to 5% of workforce by Twirrim on Thursday March 14, 2019 @10:04PM (#19395808)
Someone discovered shared scooters don't last long, and thus don't make anything even remotely approaching a profit.

https://oversharing.substack.com/p/shared-scooters-dont-last...

Re:Bird lays off up to 5% of workforce by pmart123 on Thursday March 14, 2019 @10:37PM (#19395955)
When a startup is roughly a year old, and its rival just raised $300M, alarm bells should go off in investor's heads, "If both these companies started a year ago, and it only takes $300M to fund the next one, and none of them have IP or even make their own scooter, maybe we shouldn't do this since there are no barriers to entry."
Re:Bird lays off up to 5% of workforce by AndrewKemendo on Thursday March 14, 2019 @10:50PM (#19396015)
only takes 300M

That seems like quite the barrier to me. Also crazy to think that 1/3 of a billion dollars is considered trivial barrier.

Re:Bird lays off up to 5% of workforce by pmart123 on Friday March 15, 2019 @12:26AM (#19396535)
https://pitchbook.com/news/articles/tiger-global-closes-bigg...

If you throw in NEA's new fund, that's five funds where $300M is less than 10% if they did the whole round, and if the economics are great, a bunch of growth equity funds.

It's crazy to me that you'd invest that much without having more data on the unit economics given none of these companies even have an advantage on making the underlying scooter. The more scooters you have and the more market share you have, the faster your bleed money. If the unit economics were great with off the rack scooters, what's to stop Lyft/Uber from adding a scooter option given they already have the demand side of "trying to get somewhere"?

Re:Bird lays off up to 5% of workforce by Twirrim on Thursday March 14, 2019 @11:15PM (#19396130)
I was looking at the figures in that article and was just horrified at the sheer environmental impact of this whole fiasco.
Re:Bird lays off up to 5% of workforce by evan_ on Friday March 15, 2019 @04:04AM (#19397598)
Have you seen the pictures of what must be tens of thousands of bike share bikes just sitting, unused, likely never to be used, in fields in China?

https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2018/03/bike-share-oversup...

Re:Bird lays off up to 5% of workforce by saddestcatever on Friday March 15, 2019 @10:22AM (#19399940)
Wow. That's incredible. Thanks for sharing!
Re:Bird lays off up to 5% of workforce by pmart123 on Friday March 15, 2019 @08:04AM (#19398860)
Wow. Those pictures are ridiculous.
Re:Bird lays off up to 5% of workforce by Whiteskin_Kanye on Thursday March 14, 2019 @09:58PM (#19395782)
It looks like they are losing money per scooter [0]. I doubt the strong markets make enough to offset the losing ones.

[0] https://oversharing.substack.com/p/shared-scooters-dont-last...

Re:Bird lays off up to 5% of workforce by clairity on Thursday March 14, 2019 @10:01PM (#19395793)
$500 is the retail price (that's how much i paid for the xiaomi m365 they used to use). someone estimated that it's ~$300 per scooter, which i find more believable.

they are probably (unit) profitable (or operationally cabable of being so), otherwise, they wouldn't have raised a $300MM series C last year.

Re:Bird lays off up to 5% of workforce by ceejayoz on Thursday March 14, 2019 @10:03PM (#19395802)
We've seen plenty of wildly unprofitable companies make it far past Series C. Lyft is on its 19th round and lost a billion on two billion dollars revenue in 2018.
Re:Bird lays off up to 5% of workforce by clairity on Friday March 15, 2019 @09:43AM (#19399588)
yes, but the unit economics probably pencil out, meaning the direct costs of providing the service (distribution, charging, maintenance, and support) are paid for by the revenue. that’s unit profitability.

but they’re probably losing money in capital costs and overhead (marketing and the like), so overall unprofitable.

lyft was (is) principally both a hedge against uber and a way for VCs that didn’t get into uber (ever or early enough) to make a bet in the space (the top 2-3 companies in a new market usually survive to a decent exit), so profitability wasn’t an important metric for funding (but the probability of surviving to exit very much was).

Re:Bird lays off up to 5% of workforce by pmart123 on Thursday March 14, 2019 @10:40PM (#19395971)
At least you had to build a two-sided network. Without the driver, there literally is no barrier to entry, which is funny when you think about all the future rideshare "profitability" once you have self-driving cars...
Re:Bird lays off up to 5% of workforce by Scoundreller on Thursday March 14, 2019 @11:00PM (#19396059)
On sale for US$410 retail right now, including shipping to EU (possibly from EU warehouse) if you choose the Fast-08 warehouse:

https://www.gearbest.com/skateboard/pp_596618.html

Re:Bird lays off up to 5% of workforce by monksy on Friday March 15, 2019 @12:39AM (#19396623)
Don't use Gearbest. They're incredibly shady, and have terrible customer service. I've never had the issues that I had with gearbest with a vender on Aliexpress. Also Xiaomi even has a store on ali.
Re:Bird lays off up to 5% of workforce by pmart123 on Thursday March 14, 2019 @10:30PM (#19395923)
Also, some of those are probably empty lots in places like NYC or Chicago where they can be better monetized once the land is rezoned, etc.
Re:Bird lays off up to 5% of workforce by shereadsthenews on Thursday March 14, 2019 @09:51PM (#19395755)
Last I heard lime was making $28 over the lifetime of a scooter.