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Re:Gwern's Law: Ads cost you a tenth of your users by TeMPOraL on Thursday March 14, 2019 @04:30PM (#19393348)
It's similar to how prostitution seems more ethical than telemarketing - one involves voluntary exchange of value between two willing consenting parties, the other involves harassing people and, frequently, trying to scam them.
Re:Gwern's Law: Ads cost you a tenth of your users by braythwayt on Thursday March 14, 2019 @05:27PM (#19393956)
My understanding is that the people working in that industry prefer to call it "sex work."

"Prostitute" has negative historical connotations. For example, we will say that Mitch McConnell has prostituted himself to billionaires, but we would never call him a sex worker.

/ducks

Re:Gwern's Law: Ads cost you a tenth of your users by LorenPechtel on Thursday March 14, 2019 @06:46PM (#19394662)
"Sex worker" is a broader term than "prostitute". The former covers most every commercial activity whose objective is orgasm, the latter covers only those whose normal job is orgasm via insertion (although they may do it by other means at a client's request.)
Re:Gwern's Law: Ads cost you a tenth of your users by blattimwind on Thursday March 14, 2019 @07:06PM (#19394793)
> The former covers most every commercial activity whose objective is orgasm

I don't think that's technically true.

Re:Gwern's Law: Ads cost you a tenth of your users by michaelt on Thursday March 14, 2019 @07:32PM (#19394982)
Certainly, a farmer manually collecting bull semen isn't engaged in sex work.

But I would say at the very least "sex work" covers dominatrices, pre-recorded and live-streaming porn performances, strip club and lap dance performances, as well as escorts. So "sex worker" isn't precisely equal to "prostitute"

Re:Gwern's Law: Ads cost you a tenth of your users by hopler on Thursday March 14, 2019 @08:22PM (#19395260)
The objective of fertility work is sperm/egg/embryo/whatever, not orgasm. If they could efficienctly stick a needle in the gonads and extract the reproductive cells, they would.
Re:Gwern's Law: Ads cost you a tenth of your users by JohnFen on Friday March 15, 2019 @01:01PM (#19401648)
Strippers are sex workers, but most of them aren't trying to make their customers orgasm. At least, not in the moment.
Re:Gwern's Law: Ads cost you a tenth of your users by 1000units on Thursday March 14, 2019 @07:21PM (#19394902)
Very well, but how do we accomplish this at scale? Email me if interested in discussing!
Re:Gwern's Law: Ads cost you a tenth of your users by imjustsaying on Friday March 15, 2019 @01:12AM (#19396778)
anytime you'd like to make a claim or an argument, please put it forth rather than simply eject ad hominems and make snarky vague claims.
Re:Gwern's Law: Ads cost you a tenth of your users by 1000units on Thursday March 14, 2019 @06:06PM (#19394314)
We wouldn't call him a "sex worker" precisely because it is an unnatural and forced piece of language.
Re:Gwern's Law: Ads cost you a tenth of your users by jacobsenscott on Thursday March 14, 2019 @07:33PM (#19394985)
Organized crime has been really successful in spreading the "two willing consenting parties" myth. Trust me - there is only ever one willing consenting party. No woman on earth wants to @%$! a constant parade of scumbags.
Re:Gwern's Law: Ads cost you a tenth of your users by stickfigure on Thursday March 14, 2019 @09:42PM (#19395712)
I suggest you go out and talk to some actual sex workers, with an open mind. I know (socially) a few former sex workers, and they would vehemently disagree with your characterization. The world is way, waaaay more complicated than you seem to think.
Re:Gwern's Law: Ads cost you a tenth of your users by jacobsenscott on Friday March 15, 2019 @11:23AM (#19400501)
Which characterization? I made two. I disagree with your characterization that "sex work" is "waaay complicated". Putting together a lego set is more complicated.
Re:Gwern's Law: Ads cost you a tenth of your users by JohnFen on Friday March 15, 2019 @04:42PM (#19404086)
"there is only ever one willing consenting party"

This is demonstrably untrue.

Re:Gwern's Law: Ads cost you a tenth of your users by Shacklz on Friday March 15, 2019 @04:25PM (#19403943)
"Trust me" isn't exactly a convincing argument...

I agree with your second sentiment (although I wouldn't generalize to "scumbags"), but there are a lot of people out there doing jobs that are extremely unpleasant, for far less money than prostitution can make.

If you don't have to fear your customer because the legal system has your back (making you independent of pimps and the like), prostitution is a possible way to make a significant amount of money - on your own conditions, in your own time, without the fear of being fired and all the other stuff a normal workplace imposes.

Re:Gwern's Law: Ads cost you a tenth of your users by naniwaduni on Thursday March 14, 2019 @07:38PM (#19395017)
Okay, so now there's one consenting party instead of zero.
Re:Gwern's Law: Ads cost you a tenth of your users by 1000units on Thursday March 14, 2019 @07:59PM (#19395139)
I'm sure the telemarketer consents.
Re:Gwern's Law: Ads cost you a tenth of your users by hopler on Thursday March 14, 2019 @08:23PM (#19395263)
Not really, they are under economic coercion.
Re:Gwern's Law: Ads cost you a tenth of your users by 1000units on Thursday March 14, 2019 @09:04PM (#19395508)
My, aren't we all.
Re:Gwern's Law: Ads cost you a tenth of your users by Haga on Friday March 15, 2019 @02:07AM (#19396992)
If one isn't rich one shouldn't be considered free..
Re:Gwern's Law: Ads cost you a tenth of your users by Haga on Friday March 15, 2019 @02:05AM (#19396987)
Also consent can now be retro actively withdrawn, so if you don't keep your books, your hooks will bleed you.