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Re:Gwern's Law: Ads cost you a tenth of your users by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Thursday March 14, 2019 @02:39PM (#19392114)
Wouldn't it be simpler, more ethical, and send a stronger message to simply not play the game?
Re:Gwern's Law: Ads cost you a tenth of your users by mlthoughts2018 on Thursday March 14, 2019 @04:13PM (#19393157)
Why would this be more ethical? If I own a network connected device, I am perfectly within ethical grounds to case-by-case block any kind of web request it might make. Whatever web requests happen on my device has absolutely no connection to someone who decided of their own accord to make a game or a music channel or whatever freely available to download / stream / etc.

They may prefer that those web requests succeed and generate ad revenue, but that’s literally just a mere hope that the user will choose to allow that to happen.

Another example could be creating a little robot that floats above my shoulder and uses a computer vision system to place some construction paper in my field of vision dynamically to block the photons of light coming from ad pixels from reaching my eyeball.

I’ll just miniaturize that idea and place it into my phone either as a browser/app ad blocking program, or a root level web request blocker, etc.

Re:Gwern's Law: Ads cost you a tenth of your users by michaelt on Thursday March 14, 2019 @08:12PM (#19395207)
It depends if you think an action that both you and the content producer agree is ethical is relatively more ethical than one that you think is ethical, but the content producer thinks is unethical.

If I was doing business with one of my friends, I'd strive to use their services in ways we agreed were fair, not just ways I thought were fair and they disagreed. My friends are reasonable and honest people, so if we disagreed I could be wrong as easily as they could.

Of course, the ad industry isn't much of an ethical beacon and an industry isn't capable of being anyone's friend, so I run an ad blocker. But the angle other people are coming from is pretty easy to understand.

Re:Gwern's Law: Ads cost you a tenth of your users by mlthoughts2018 on Thursday March 14, 2019 @08:25PM (#19395275)
> “but the content producer thinks is unethical.”

What? Of what relevance is the random thought of the content producer when it comes to my personal property.

That’s like saying using my leaf blower to blow leaves is unethical because someone somewhere else in the world thinks I should use my leaf blower as a golf club.

Some person made a game or a streaming service or whatever. They hope people will allow ads to be displayed with it on the peoples’ personal property. But that creator person, who has no connection whatsoever to my personal property, does not influence any concept of ethics about the way I use my property.

Re:Gwern's Law: Ads cost you a tenth of your users by Asooka on Friday March 15, 2019 @07:22AM (#19398605)
No, on the contrary. By playing the game and blocking ads you're sending the correct message that you like the game but don't want the ads. If you didn't play the game you would be sending the incorrect message that the game isn't popular and the market would work with incorrect information. Indeed, as far as digital goods go, correct word-of-mouth is the most important aspect of market information. Meaning, if you like something but it comes laden with ads, you are not only ethical in taking it and blocking the ads, it would be immoral if you were not to do so. Similarly, if a digital good is only available with draconian DRM or at too high a price, it would be unethical NOT to pirate it.
Re:Gwern's Law: Ads cost you a tenth of your users by JohnFen on Friday March 15, 2019 @01:06PM (#19401693)
It is simpler and more effective, but not more ethical.