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Re:Rewarding Neglect and Punishing Investment in Struggling ... by huffmsa on Thursday March 14, 2019 @04:14AM (#19387323)
Taxation based on the value of the edifice is such a dumb idea it could only have come from the government.

It does precisely what this article says, disincentives improvements, because "the government" is just going to take more of your money.

Seems illegal to boot (although I imagine there's plenty of precedent).

Taxing the land at least has some logic to it. "This land is serviced by this government, you pay for those services".

As well having a high land tax means you're going to build high revenue generating structures to meet your burden.

Re:Rewarding Neglect and Punishing Investment in Struggling ... by yason on Thursday March 14, 2019 @05:27AM (#19387640)
There should also be a portion of the land tax that comes from the relevant part of the city-owned road network which needs maintenance. Buying a lot in the suburbs which necessitates massive highways and arterials built and maintained should have that factored in the land tax to balance the gap between suburbs and downtown.

In the downtown your land tax would be higher because of demand of lots and higher land value, and in the suburbs it would be higher because of higher per-lot costs to the city.

Re:Rewarding Neglect and Punishing Investment in Struggling ... by tchaffee on Thursday March 14, 2019 @06:17AM (#19387874)
It's not just the land that is serviced though.

Aren't the infrastructure and service needs (fire department for example) different for no building vs. a one story building vs. a forty story building?

Re:Rewarding Neglect and Punishing Investment in Struggling ... by huffmsa on Thursday March 14, 2019 @07:45AM (#19388325)
That should be covered in the land zoning code. Land where you're allowed to build a 40 story building should be more valuable than one where you can only build single story.

As well, the taxes on sales in the increased number of stores / sales of leases / income tax revenue from the increased number of residents should cover the increase in service costs.

If they don't, you're not running an efficient government. (Ha. Efficient government).

Re:Rewarding Neglect and Punishing Investment in Struggling ... by tchaffee on Thursday March 14, 2019 @11:40AM (#19390217)
So if I want to maintain a one story building on land that is zoned for a 40 story building, I have to pay extra taxes even though I'm not using extra services? Seems to me like the best policy would be taking both into consideration.
Re:Rewarding Neglect and Punishing Investment in Struggling ... by zeveb on Thursday March 14, 2019 @03:51PM (#19392916)
Yes, because that's the land's actual value.

This is why land-value taxes are unpopular: small landowners (e.g. Mom & Dad) want to be able to hold onto their small single-family homes instead of being forced to sell to a developer who would build a multi-family dwelling.

Cf. Prop 13 in California.

Re:Rewarding Neglect and Punishing Investment in Struggling ... by tchaffee on Thursday March 14, 2019 @04:04PM (#19393043)
But why the insistence on taxing land at it's full value while ignoring what's on the land? High taxes on just the land force me to sell and to improve the property. High taxes on just the house can force me to not improve. Neither seems ideal. What would be ideal to me is a good balance that rewards improvements without punishing those who don't want improvements. Especially if the owner lives there.
Re:Rewarding Neglect and Punishing Investment in Struggling ... by huffmsa on Thursday March 14, 2019 @01:16PM (#19391294)
You're thinking like an academic in a glass tower and not a real human.

You wouldn't buy the property unless you had plans to develop it into something. Unless you're the kind of fool who buys 128gb RAM and only uses 4gb of it.

The price of an item should reflect it's use and probable ROI.

Re:Rewarding Neglect and Punishing Investment in Struggling ... by tchaffee on Thursday March 14, 2019 @04:07PM (#19393091)
I own and develop property. Who looks like the fool now?

Please keep it civil. Hacker News is not the place for put downs, two of which you've included in your short response.

Re:Rewarding Neglect and Punishing Investment in Struggling ... by rocqua on Thursday March 14, 2019 @06:44AM (#19388020)
Perhaps, but thats an argument for occupancy based tax, not building-value based tax.
Re:Rewarding Neglect and Punishing Investment in Struggling ... by tchaffee on Thursday March 14, 2019 @11:42AM (#19390245)
How so? An empty 40 story building surely takes a larger fire department and more sophisticated city planning than an fully occupied one story average house?
Re:Rewarding Neglect and Punishing Investment in Struggling ... by smadge on Thursday March 14, 2019 @05:03AM (#19387539)
Some form of property tax has been around since the feudal era and the idea of a land value tax has been around in western economics since the 1700s.