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Re:U.S. to ground Boeing 737 Max 8 by arcticbull on Wednesday March 13, 2019 @07:01PM (#19384850)
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Re:U.S. to ground Boeing 737 Max 8 by andrewflnr on Wednesday March 13, 2019 @07:05PM (#19384876)
Flying won't stay safer than driving if aircraft manufacturers can get away with letting their standards slip.
Re:U.S. to ground Boeing 737 Max 8 by arcticbull on Wednesday March 13, 2019 @08:19PM (#19385334)
Well nobody is proposing a free pass here. Of course they'll all need to be fixed, and ASAP. I'm just saying, it's no more a death trap than your average Honda Civic so it's probably okay to let them stay up in the air, depending on what the confounding external factors end up being.
Re:U.S. to ground Boeing 737 Max 8 by nrb on Wednesday March 13, 2019 @09:21PM (#19385694)
Cars kill people primarily due to human error in judgment or lack of attention. Mechanical or software failures causing fatalities are the overwhelming minority of cases.

Remember how big of a deal the Toyota accelerator pedal recall was?

Re:U.S. to ground Boeing 737 Max 8 by paulie_a on Thursday March 14, 2019 @05:50AM (#19387745)
Didn't Toyota turn out to be a few old people that probably shouldn't haven't been driving anymore anyways.
Re:U.S. to ground Boeing 737 Max 8 by lagadu on Thursday March 14, 2019 @08:20AM (#19388535)
No, it was a buffer overflow in the ECU. It's an interesting read if that's the kind of thing that strikes your fancy :)
Re:U.S. to ground Boeing 737 Max 8 by astrodust on Thursday March 14, 2019 @01:15AM (#19386682)
This could be as bad as the Toyota "unintended acceleration" glitch.

The way this particular glitch plays out sounds suspiciously like software, or a software-like function of the MCAS unit.

Re:U.S. to ground Boeing 737 Max 8 by nradov on Thursday March 14, 2019 @01:23AM (#19386708)
There was never any evidence that a software glitch caused sudden unintended acceleration in Toyotas. The problems were caused by defective floor mats and driver error.

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a15125313/its-all-your...

Re:U.S. to ground Boeing 737 Max 8 by astrodust on Thursday March 14, 2019 @01:32AM (#19386740)
The specific causes were determined to be non-software, but when they took a close look at the software, the software was atrociously bad.

I'm not sure Boeing's software, even if not at fault, will be entirely flawless.

Re:U.S. to ground Boeing 737 Max 8 by nradov on Thursday March 14, 2019 @03:06PM (#19392433)
No complex software has ever been entirely flawless. The best we can probably ask for is that it's safe within certain defined boundaries.
Re:U.S. to ground Boeing 737 Max 8 by asn0 on Wednesday March 13, 2019 @07:09PM (#19384907)
I have a family trip booked next month on Southwest, who has many 737 Max 8. I'm relieved that they won't be able to use it now. I'm still expecting my flight to happen, Southwest and Boeing will have to figure out how to get the plane.
Re:U.S. to ground Boeing 737 Max 8 by sib on Thursday March 14, 2019 @01:09AM (#19386654)
Southwest was actually grounding these flights yesterday (Tuesday) before the FAA decision. Source: flight was cancelled along with multiple other 737 MAX flights out of SJC yesterday.
Re:U.S. to ground Boeing 737 Max 8 by paulie_a on Thursday March 14, 2019 @05:54AM (#19387757)
Oddly enough they were also claiming to be surprised by the faa. It seems like a huge miscommunication from different departments and people.
Re:U.S. to ground Boeing 737 Max 8 by tyingq on Thursday March 14, 2019 @07:52AM (#19388363)
It's about 5% of their fleet, and they fly, on average, with their planes ~85% full. There will almost certainly be some cancelled flights.