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Re:China orders its airlines to suspend use of Boeing 737 Ma... by ulfw on Monday March 11, 2019 @08:36AM (#19358458)
Please don't try to change history. The FAA only took action after the Japanese (the only major operators at the time) stopped flying them.

The same FAA who is in bed with Boeing I might say. Where in the world can you self-certify anything? What's the point of getting certified if you can do it yourself? Reminds me of self-grading in school. That was only in classes noone ever cared about.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/faa-faulted-for-ou...

Re:China orders its airlines to suspend use of Boeing 737 Ma... by howard941 on Monday March 11, 2019 @10:50AM (#19359367)
> Where in the world can you self-certify anything?

In the US. Self-certification is pervasive in the aviation industry. For ex., an A&P self-certifies her own work. A pilot self-certifies night landing and instrument currency.

Re:China orders its airlines to suspend use of Boeing 737 Ma... by Tepix on Monday March 11, 2019 @09:48AM (#19358910)
German car manufacturers self-certify the CO2 exhausts.

TEPCO certifies their Japanese nuclear plants.

Works great, doesn't it?

Re:China orders its airlines to suspend use of Boeing 737 Ma... by unethical_ban on Monday March 11, 2019 @10:26AM (#19359183)
It was NOx, and they didn't self certify, they cheated the tests.
Re:China orders its airlines to suspend use of Boeing 737 Ma... by Retric on Monday March 11, 2019 @11:09AM (#19359502)
Car companies operate their own testing units at their factories. I don’t see how this is different from self certification.

Ex: “Today in Tokyo, Nissan joined the increasing list of automakers who have admitted to falsifying emissions and/or fuel economy figures. The company said it had uncovered falsified data from car exhaust emissions tests at most of its plants based in Japan.” https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterlyon/2018/07/09/nissan-adm...

Trust but verify is common worldwide for this stuff. Otherwise governments would need to install and operate a lot of equipment at every factory worldwide.

Re:China orders its airlines to suspend use of Boeing 737 Ma... by mannykannot on Monday March 11, 2019 @11:46AM (#19359810)
True, but an entity that goes so far as to cheat on tests is hardly likely to honestly self-certify - it is further evidence that some non-trivial form of verification is necessary.

I am not, however, going to take any position on whether Boeing has done anything wrong until the accident analysis is complete.