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Re:A Gazillion-Dollar Standoff over Two High-Frequency Tradi... by BonesJustice on Sunday March 10, 2019 @06:17PM (#19354990)
I can confirm first-hand that this is a real thing, and that if there’s significant movement immediately following a headline, you likely won’t end up with more than table crumbs if you’re not one of the first two or three players to respond.
Re:A Gazillion-Dollar Standoff over Two High-Frequency Tradi... by dmix on Sunday March 10, 2019 @06:42PM (#19355168)
Interesting. I’m curious, can you give an example of what kind of news? Some earnings reports or acquisition or something?

And are the reactions automated based on some NLP? Milliseconds wouldn’t matter if a human has to still parse it, correct?

Re:A Gazillion-Dollar Standoff over Two High-Frequency Tradi... by darawk on Sunday March 10, 2019 @06:57PM (#19355274)
Yes, NLP, and sometimes structured data released by special services that receive the news alerts early, process them into a structured form, and then make them available at the same moment that the normal services do.
Re:A Gazillion-Dollar Standoff over Two High-Frequency Tradi... by ineedasername on Sunday March 10, 2019 @10:11PM (#19356176)
Yep, NLP. As a grad student in comp linguistics, I was surprised to find out that financial news was an enourmous application space for NLP, for exactly this sort of reason. Including the automation of content creation. Much financial news isn't written by a human, and hasn't been for a long while. It's too slow. Faster content creation equals faster actionable data equals huge advantage.
Re:A Gazillion-Dollar Standoff over Two High-Frequency Tradi... by BonesJustice on Sunday March 10, 2019 @07:26PM (#19355425)
NLP is a possibility, but bear in mind that HFT is all about optimization. The confidence levels desired can vary significantly based on what you intend to do with the information.

Acting on M&A news by taking a more aggressive position generally requires more confidence than, say, backing off based on ‘bad’ news. In the first case, you want to be pretty sure of the headline before taking action. In the latter, the mere presence of words like ‘fraud’ and ‘investigation’ might be enough to play it safe and say, “we’re going to back off trading this underlying until a human has a chance to look at this.”

Re:A Gazillion-Dollar Standoff over Two High-Frequency Tradi... by shitgoose on Sunday March 10, 2019 @06:50PM (#19355228)
or you misread the headline, price reverts and you end up with losing position. i am genuinely curious, how feasible this headline trading is.
Re:A Gazillion-Dollar Standoff over Two High-Frequency Tradi... by pmart123 on Sunday March 10, 2019 @08:04PM (#19355623)
I used to be in this business. It’s a good practice to think of everything in terms of probabilities alongside capacity/liquidity. If an all cash merger hits the news, there’s a race lift prevailing offers on the one stock as there is a much better expectation of value due to the news.

Now let’s say there’s negative news on the Chinese economy. Someone could be running an algorithm that sells down companies with Chinese exposure. But, inherently, there likely is a much lower probability that this news is uniform or material across companies with China exposure. A strategy like this likely would get put on small positions and get in and out quickly as it could get run over depending on how humans process the information and make bigger discretionary bets.

There definitely is a risk too all of this. Roughly 10 years ago, somehow an old united Airlines bankruptcy article hit the wire and the stock sold off hard. Eventually, United released a statement saying the article was innacurate. This isn’t typically the type of strategy you would make large, single bets with, or hold the positions over a long period.

Re:A Gazillion-Dollar Standoff over Two High-Frequency Tradi... by BonesJustice on Sunday March 10, 2019 @07:12PM (#19355356)
There’s two sides to it: you might decide to take a more aggressive position, but you might also use the headlines as a signal to back off (and stop or scale back trading of securities for the affected underlying, at least temporarily).

One tends to carry more serious consequences when you’re wrong. Accordingly, the ‘take’ path generally has more checks, and more opportunities to abort.

Re:A Gazillion-Dollar Standoff over Two High-Frequency Tradi... by TuringNYC on Sunday March 10, 2019 @07:31PM (#19355440)
>> or you misread the headline, price reverts and you end up with losing position.

Yes, you might misread here or there. But this is a game of statistics and the real win/loss is whether you read correctly more often this read incorrectly. You want your net wins to be positive.