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Re:Wrong scientific beliefs that were held for long periods by lkrubner on Tuesday November 23, 2010 @03:08PM (#1935148)
"Wrong" might overstate it, but certainly, for a long time Euclidean Geometry was thought to be a statement about an absolute truth that existed in the Universe. There could be no other geometry. Recall the shock and dismay with which the educated public first heard about hyperbolic geometry. If math is always true, they wondered, then how could another geometry exist alongside Euclidean Geometry? It was as if reality had been disproven. It took a long time for the educated public to come round to the view that we could have multiple geometries, each true for certain given assumptions.
Re:Wrong scientific beliefs that were held for long periods by arethuza on Tuesday November 23, 2010 @03:23PM (#1935203)
That is, of course, correct - but surely that is more how Euclidean Geometry was interpreted rather than there actually being an internal problem with Euclidean Geometry.
Re:Wrong scientific beliefs that were held for long periods by Jach on Tuesday November 23, 2010 @04:18PM (#1935405)
Wouldn't this be a case of Newtonian mechanics as well? There's nothing "wrong" with the math, other than it doesn't fully explain reality like we initially thought it did, and so the theory is wrong. A lot less wrong than anything we had before, but still wrong.
Re:Wrong scientific beliefs that were held for long periods by arethuza on Tuesday November 23, 2010 @04:42PM (#1935489)
But don't all theories of the physical world come with caveats and assumptions attached? In the case of Newtonian mechanics it is clear that there are cases (the very small, the very fast) where it doesn't apply - but that doesn't mean it isn't useful in more normal contexts.

I seem to recall (I could well be wrong) that the calculations for the Voyager space probes are all done using Newtonian mechanics. For something to be wrong implies to me that it is of no utility - which clearly isn't the case with Newtons work.

Re:Wrong scientific beliefs that were held for long periods by Jach on Tuesday November 23, 2010 @08:12PM (#1936090)
Exactly, which is why I was wondering why you'd hesitate to call Euclidean geometry wrong when, asked to explain reality, it fails to do so. But it seems we're operating under quite different definitions of wrong. (Whose utility are you basing your definition on? For me there are plenty of obviously wrong things that nevertheless can be useful for me or someone else.) I lump myself in the Asimov crowd of "wrongness", which is linked on this page. (Hey, a flat-earth theory works in limited cases too.)
Re:Wrong scientific beliefs that were held for long periods by arethuza on Wednesday November 24, 2010 @04:43AM (#1936943)
I think it's the term "wrong" is what I object to - Newtonian mechanics is still perfectly "correct" for a large number of circumstances. Just because a more refined, and rather more complex theory, comes along a few centuries later doesn't invalidate the fact that if you stay within the boundaries of the where it is known to be perfectly valid it is the best thing to use.

When you model some physical system you do it with and end in mind and a lot of assumptions have to be made (e.g. that gas flow is non-turbulent, heat flow is uniform) which are all wrong in some sense because reality isn't like that but if you didn't make these simplifying assumptions then you'd never get anything done.

Mathematical models aren't reality - they are an attempt to create structures that allow us to explain and predict and the assumptions underlying the mappings between these structures and reality are just as important as the contents of the theories themselves. It's possible to model the same system in umpteen different ways - indeed as there is no all encompassing theory-of-absolutely-everything you have to make some important decisions when you model something as to what is relevant. Trying to model plate tectonics in terms of string theory is unlikely to get you very far - that doesn't make string theory "wrong".