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Re:Ecosia – the search engine that plants trees by freedomben on Wednesday March 06, 2019 @09:35PM (#19325135)
It says "Powered by Microsoft" on the bottom of a search results page. Is this just a wrapper around bing?
Re:Ecosia – the search engine that plants trees by saagarjha on Wednesday March 06, 2019 @09:41PM (#19325168)
Re:Ecosia – the search engine that plants trees by greglindahl on Wednesday March 06, 2019 @09:44PM (#19325179)
Pretty much every search box you see on the Internet is a wrapper around Google or bing, with Yandex as a distant 3rd and a few country-specific engines in China, Russia, Korea, etc.
Re:Ecosia – the search engine that plants trees by viraptor on Wednesday March 06, 2019 @10:28PM (#19325322)
There's also yacy which is the distributed search effort. Tiny by size, but worth mentioning.
Re:Ecosia – the search engine that plants trees by thekyle on Wednesday March 06, 2019 @10:54PM (#19325400)
I really like YaCy (I run a node), but a big problem with it that will prevent it from ever competing with Google/Bing is the lack of a verifiable link graph for ranking results. Right now it basically just uses full text search and a local link graph which is problematic.
Re:Ecosia – the search engine that plants trees by misterman0 on Thursday March 07, 2019 @01:10AM (#19325913)
>> the lack of a verifiable link graph

I hadn't heard about YaCy even though I'm in their game. I too run a search engine that doesn't use a link graph for scoring relevance. My bet is on semantic relevance over PageRank, because I think our understanding of language models have become so sophisticated we can start relying on them solely.

Also, it's harder I think to game a language model when compared to a page rank model.

What do you think is lacking from non-link graph search engines?

EDIT: maybe I misunderstood b/c it says here YaCy _has_ a link graph: https://yacy.net/en/API.html

Re:Ecosia – the search engine that plants trees by thekyle on Thursday March 07, 2019 @04:08AM (#19326601)
> maybe I misunderstood b/c it says here YaCy _has_ a link graph: https://yacy.net/en/API.html

That link graph being referenced is the local nodes one, not a global one. So it only yields links that have been discovered by the node you are sending the request to.

You could send a request to each node individually and aggregate the results, however, you have no way to verify the nodes are being honest without actually crawling those pages yourself.

If I may ask, what is the project that you are working on?

Re:Ecosia – the search engine that plants trees by misterman0 on Thursday March 07, 2019 @12:02PM (#19329694)
Ic. Thx!

I'm working on a project similar to the YaCy one. The main difference is that I do not want or even require that each node trust each other. I let the user decide who they trust.

https://github.com/kreeben/resin

Re:Ecosia – the search engine that plants trees by misterman0 on Thursday March 07, 2019 @12:15PM (#19329842)
>> it only yields links that have been discovered by the node you are sending the request to

Wait! YaCy is a little bit hard to understand. I don't mean that in any way other than in an extremely encouraging way.

What do you mean exactly? A YaCy node will interrogate the "swarm" of data and that interrogation might yield more links compared to if you interrogate another node?

What's that all about?

Re:Ecosia – the search engine that plants trees by elcomet on Thursday March 07, 2019 @04:08AM (#19326603)
What is your search engine?
Re:Ecosia – the search engine that plants trees by dotcoma on Wednesday March 06, 2019 @09:39PM (#19325157)
How much more than "a wrapper around Bing" would you say DuckDuckGo is?
Re:Ecosia – the search engine that plants trees by gpm on Wednesday March 06, 2019 @10:16PM (#19325280)
They claim to be merging 'traditional' search results from multiple providers, explicitly calling out Oath (Yahoo) as well as Bing. So, hopefully, substantially. Realistically, somewhat.

[0] https://duck.co/help/results/sources

Re:Ecosia – the search engine that plants trees by thekyle on Wednesday March 06, 2019 @10:49PM (#19325384)
According to Wikipedia, Yahoo is also a Bing wrapper so I'm not sure what the point in using both is.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahoo!_Search

Re:Ecosia – the search engine that plants trees by greglindahl on Wednesday March 06, 2019 @11:09PM (#19325448)
Yes, Yahoo's independent search index was phased out over a decade ago.
Re:Ecosia – the search engine that plants trees by dotcoma on Thursday March 07, 2019 @02:44AM (#19326261)
Point taken. But privacy-wise, does anybody have any qualms about Ecosia?
Re:Ecosia – the search engine that plants trees by ignoramous on Thursday March 07, 2019 @03:50AM (#19326528)
You might want to change the defaults a bit: https://www.ecosia.org/settings

Esp, the disable personalized results.

In their privacy section they do admit to storing identifiable information for at least 7 days (possibly more) to fight spam and improve search results. They also send user identifiable information to bing, as well, who then store it for at least 4 days. Apart from that, they use third party tools in their non-search parts which might be subject to different privacy rules than their main website.

From their app, they send information to Facebook. They use the Amazon, Google, and Microsoft as advertisment providers, if I'm not mistaken.

I encourage you to read the fine print here: https://info.ecosia.org/privacy

Re:Ecosia – the search engine that plants trees by martin_a on Thursday March 07, 2019 @03:24AM (#19326428)
I have none. It's Bing and the ad money goes to Ecosia.

Besides that everything I would expect from a search engine probably applies (Microsoft might get to know what I search for etc.).

But taking a little piece of cake away from Google isn't bad either.

Re:Ecosia – the search engine that plants trees by ealhad on Thursday March 07, 2019 @04:40AM (#19326744)
About Ecosia, none. The ads are from Bing though, and they get user data.
Re:Ecosia – the search engine that plants trees by 3into10power5 on Thursday March 07, 2019 @02:21PM (#19331228)
Yahoo search is bing plus indexing of its own internal products (yahooo Sports/Finance/etc)