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Re:Gun laws where guns take the most lives by whiddershins on Sunday March 03, 2019 @06:41PM (#19297674)
This article mixes and matches statistical types and conclusions in a confusing manner.

For example, if most United States firearm deaths are suicides, it is misleading to then follow with a quote saying “where there are more guns there is more homicide.”

Re:Gun laws where guns take the most lives by updateYourMind on Sunday March 03, 2019 @07:17PM (#19297844)
Yet the US has the highest numbers of mass shootings.
Re:Gun laws where guns take the most lives by Tyrannosaur on Sunday March 03, 2019 @07:20PM (#19297864)
Re:Gun laws where guns take the most lives by updateYourMind on Sunday March 03, 2019 @07:22PM (#19297875)
From wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_S...

> The United States has had more mass shootings than any other country.

Re:Gun laws where guns take the most lives by leereeves on Sunday March 03, 2019 @07:27PM (#19297892)
Wikipedia as primary source?

If you'll check the references for that statement, they're all news articles based on a single study.

A study that the link above already discussed. A study that "excluded gang-related shootings, drive-by shootings, hostage-taking incidents, robberies and acts of genocide or terrorism."[1]

In other words, it's a custom-designed, cherry-picked statistic designed to make the US look worse than it is.

1: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/05/does-us-l...

Re:Gun laws where guns take the most lives by morpheuskafka on Sunday March 03, 2019 @07:54PM (#19298015)
It's not cherry picked, it focuses on the phenomenon of mass shootings specifically. Gang wars and genocide are certainly tragic, but they are a very different type of gun violence than what people mean by mass shootings. The study is asking why in America people are shot by the tens or hundreds at ordinary, law-abiding venues such as schools or concerts, which is relevant in its own right.
Re:Gun laws where guns take the most lives by leereeves on Sunday March 03, 2019 @08:14PM (#19298083)
Actually the study defines "mass" as four or more victims, not tens or hundreds.

And I've never understood who decides whether a mass killing is an "act of terrorism" or not.

Re:Gun laws where guns take the most lives by arduanika on Sunday March 03, 2019 @08:56PM (#19298218)
I'm shocked. The country that leads the world in stereotypically American mass shootings, narrowly defined to fit our cultural context and exclude problems endemic to other countries, according to one study quoted by the Amazon Post and other left-leaning outlets, is the USA. Say it ain't so.
Re:Gun laws where guns take the most lives by beatgammit on Sunday March 03, 2019 @09:32PM (#19298357)
Isn't that kind of irrelevant? How many people have died from mass shootings vs other violent crime? Yes, it's a problem that we should address, but it's also not a significant contributor to death, so the average person isn't really at a significant risk of being involved in a mass shooting, much less being killed by one. The media and politicians just like to make a big deal about it because it draws eyeballs.

Instead of focusing on mass shootings, we should be looking at violent crime in general and the causes for it. This would lead us toward more general solutions (e.g. improve schooling for inner city students instead of just taking away their guns), which would solve a far bigger problem than some media headlines, and those solutions would be far easier to implement than attacking one of the core parts of American culture.

Re:Gun laws where guns take the most lives by 2_listerine_pls on Sunday March 03, 2019 @09:51PM (#19298424)
Mexico has mass-killings every single day. To give you an idea, a clandestine mass-grave with 500 bodies was found not long ago. If Mexicans had guns, their gagster politicians would think twice before fucking the economy on behalf of other countries.
Re:Gun laws where guns take the most lives by patmcc on Sunday March 03, 2019 @06:53PM (#19297728)
Why? Both things can be true. Firearms could cause an increase in both homicides and suicides.
Re:Gun laws where guns take the most lives by zepto on Sunday March 03, 2019 @07:21PM (#19297866)
They could, but that isn’t a conclusion that the statistics show.
Re:Gun laws where guns take the most lives by seppin on Sunday March 03, 2019 @07:16PM (#19297843)
And a country can be leading in both statistics
Re:Gun laws where guns take the most lives by entropie on Sunday March 03, 2019 @07:15PM (#19297835)