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Re:France Plans 5% Digital Tax as Governments Chase Internet... by tonyedgecombe on Sunday March 03, 2019 @12:28PM (#19295587)
The obvious solution is to eliminate corporation tax and shift it to areas that are harder to avoid such as dividends, capital gains and land value.
Re:France Plans 5% Digital Tax as Governments Chase Internet... by AlexTWithBeard on Sunday March 03, 2019 @02:22PM (#19296257)
Sounds very reasonable. I'm sure there's a catch, but I don't see where it is.

Taxing a business looks like a weird thing to do: a business can only spend money on business-related stuff pretty much by definition.

In order for money to be spent on non-busines things, it should be paid out as a salary, dividends or something like that which we know how to tax pretty well.

I'm certainly missing something, but what?

Re:France Plans 5% Digital Tax as Governments Chase Internet... by ip26 on Sunday March 03, 2019 @03:25PM (#19296613)
Not an economist so I don't know the official reason. But a corporation can theoretically accumulate profits indefinitely without making a payout, while governments need stable yearly revenue.

Maybe more material from a public policy point of view is that we like to tax different things at different rates, to favor or disfavor spending on various things. Hard to tax a salary based on what the employer spent their money on.

Re:France Plans 5% Digital Tax as Governments Chase Internet... by tonyedgecombe on Sunday March 03, 2019 @03:46PM (#19296740)
A corporation could accumulate although I expect shareholders would stop that fairly quickly.

You could still implement Pigovian taxes such as fuel or alcohol duties.

Re:France Plans 5% Digital Tax as Governments Chase Internet... by petronio on Sunday March 03, 2019 @08:52PM (#19298192)
There's many valid reasons for accumulating profits, such as planning buyouts or expansions. That being said, sometimes it can be done for reasons such as waiting for a preferable tax regime. Due to that, some countries have a separate accumulated earnings tax that is similar to individual wealth taxes to disincentivize accumulating without a business purpose.
Re:France Plans 5% Digital Tax as Governments Chase Internet... by ttoinou on Sunday March 03, 2019 @12:41PM (#19295650)
Or stop taxing "profits" but tax every transaction on its total amount, that would also end a lot of "tax niches"
Re:France Plans 5% Digital Tax as Governments Chase Internet... by tonyedgecombe on Sunday March 03, 2019 @01:14PM (#19295849)
We already have VAT or sales tax.
Re:France Plans 5% Digital Tax as Governments Chase Internet... by ttoinou on Sunday March 03, 2019 @01:47PM (#19296038)
> Or stop taxing "profits"

By "profits" I meant to stop business being able to claim expenses and reduce the tax. We could replace complex taxation scheme only-on-positive-profit with a simple 1% (for example) tax on all transfers, on the total amount, no matter what is the purpose of the money transfer

Re:France Plans 5% Digital Tax as Governments Chase Internet... by icebraining on Sunday March 03, 2019 @02:05PM (#19296162)
That incentivizes the creation of vertically-integrated conglomerates over small companies, in order to reduce the number of transactions; is that what you want to foster?
Re:France Plans 5% Digital Tax as Governments Chase Internet... by ttoinou on Sunday March 03, 2019 @03:20PM (#19296581)
You need to take into account all the simplification it would imply in tax collection / paperwork / regulations etc. The cost of our current ways of taxing wealth and profits is huge
Re:France Plans 5% Digital Tax as Governments Chase Internet... by JimmyAustin on Sunday March 03, 2019 @10:49PM (#19298627)
In the US, the IRS collected $3.33 trillion in revenue in 2018, with a total budget of 11.5 billion (2017). Thats 0.3453%, or 35c per $100 of tax revenue. Fairly minor in the scheme of things.
Re:France Plans 5% Digital Tax as Governments Chase Internet... by ttoinou on Monday March 04, 2019 @01:38AM (#19299258)
Monetary costs are a small subset of general costs (and the cheapest ones, easier to know and aggregate).
Re:France Plans 5% Digital Tax as Governments Chase Internet... by jpadkins on Wednesday March 06, 2019 @12:00PM (#19320471)
that's only one side of the ledger (collection). Now calculate the costs to the taxpayers (people and corps).
Re:France Plans 5% Digital Tax as Governments Chase Internet... by tonyedgecombe on Sunday March 03, 2019 @01:52PM (#19296066)
The trouble with that is it will penalise low margin businesses, Apple could easily afford it on their 30% margin but a budget PC maker with a 3% margin would struggle.
Re:France Plans 5% Digital Tax as Governments Chase Internet... by ttoinou on Sunday March 03, 2019 @03:24PM (#19296605)
Small businesses are already penalized by our current laws and ways of taxing profits. I believe the alternative I am proposing (that will never come to reality) is easier for everyone
Re:France Plans 5% Digital Tax as Governments Chase Internet... by magduf on Monday March 04, 2019 @11:48AM (#19302627)
Sure, it's easier, but it also means you'll just have a bunch of giant vertically-integrated monopolies. Easier, sure, but I don't see how that's better.
Re:France Plans 5% Digital Tax as Governments Chase Internet... by ttoinou on Tuesday March 05, 2019 @03:57PM (#19314175)
It's better because it's cheaper for everyone to do business. More competition, everything gets cheaper.
Re:France Plans 5% Digital Tax as Governments Chase Internet... by markdown on Sunday March 03, 2019 @01:15PM (#19295854)
You mean like VAT/GST.
Re:France Plans 5% Digital Tax as Governments Chase Internet... by ttoinou on Sunday March 03, 2019 @01:45PM (#19296021)
Not like GST : it would be on all transactions in the legal currency, including B2B. There wouldn't be an artificial difference between "businesses" and "customers"

Not like VAT : VAT is way more complex and expenses are deducted at each step

Re:France Plans 5% Digital Tax as Governments Chase Internet... by IanCal on Sunday March 03, 2019 @03:25PM (#19296615)
So cheaper for large integrated companies? Sounds like it'd really hurt competitors starting up.
Re:France Plans 5% Digital Tax as Governments Chase Internet... by tonyedgecombe on Sunday March 03, 2019 @03:49PM (#19296755)
It would kill any business with a long supply chain, the only manufacturers left would be the ones where ore arrives at one end of the factory and finished goods come out of the other end.
Re:France Plans 5% Digital Tax as Governments Chase Internet... by ttoinou on Sunday March 03, 2019 @03:49PM (#19296759)
It would be cheaper for everyone because of tax simplifications. Current system is already unfair to a lot of group of people, including small businesses. And large company also have money transfers so I am not sure to understand the example unless we go into the specifics a little bit more
Re:France Plans 5% Digital Tax as Governments Chase Internet... by icebraining on Sunday March 03, 2019 @02:01PM (#19296124)
How does that help France? Those taxes would still be paid in Ireland.