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Re:Huawei Trolls U.S. on Spy Claims with a Jab at Snowden by vixen99 on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @06:32AM (#19262554)
Too many red herrings to follow up but how about the implied assertion that a huge proportion of jailed Americans are there solely because of their age and skin color? If true then this does indeed sounds likes a horrific mega-scandal that screams for redress rather than, for instance, the pursuance of issues relating to possible interference in the last election. Question of priorities!

By the way you forgot to mention the thousands of executions that take place in China according to Amnesty International. Exact figures are kept secret of course. How does that stack up with the US?

Re:Huawei Trolls U.S. on Spy Claims with a Jab at Snowden by claplouder on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @03:56AM (#19261965)
I am Indian, and I know precisely the story of Tibetans. There are many of them living in India now since they've lost their homes. China invaded India twice, so don't think I don't know Chinese superiority complex.

Of course there are nutcases everywhere, but nowhere else a government this powerful has a mandate to undermine human rights at a global level without any opposition from their own people. CCP is following a racist genocidal agenda with full support of a majority of their people, and they won't stop at the Uighurs or tibetans.

Re:Huawei Trolls U.S. on Spy Claims with a Jab at Snowden by dtwest on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @07:49AM (#19262898)
Most young black Americans are in jail for drug related offenses, which could warrant the death penalty in China.

Also your argument is completely: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Re:Huawei Trolls U.S. on Spy Claims with a Jab at Snowden by mda on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @04:12AM (#19262032)
Wow, I am speechless. If majority of China thinks this way, we are in for a very wild ride in near future.
Re:Huawei Trolls U.S. on Spy Claims with a Jab at Snowden by claplouder on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @04:45AM (#19262142)
This is right out of the CCP bullshit arguments textbook. They automatically assume that you are an American, and state that you have no idea of what you're talking about since you are brainwashed by the "western mainstream media." The blatant projection here is laughable since the Chinese are the ones censored and brainwashed by their govt.

Another thing they love to bring up is the black prison population in the States to compare it to Chinese prison camps where people are thrown in forever without any trials. Atleast in America, they can protest and hold lawmakers accountable by voting them out. Any meaningful argument with these guys is pointless since they are just govt mouthpieces.

Re:Huawei Trolls U.S. on Spy Claims with a Jab at Snowden by Theodores on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @07:55AM (#19262918)
You are showing signs of paranoia.

In my comment there is no assumption on nationality. I am just comparing and contrasting.

I got my information regarding how many young black men are in jail from black Americans and one white American lady. I think you need to take up the challenge of citing a source of some Chinese 'communist' ranting on about the US black prison population. From my knowledge of the world these Chinese folk have been rather too quiet about the injustices of the US 'justice system' and I wish they were demanding something was done. Please prove me wrong that they are not as mute as I believe them to be.

Regarding your paranoia, I am a citizen of planet earth and definitely not Chinese in any way. I am too vegetarian and too English speaking to want to spend time in China's remote provinces. I am old enough to understand that nothing said by Western politicians is likely to be true. Not being easily duped and gullible does not make me some person that has been brainwashed by the Chinese Communist Party or a 'govt mouthpiece'.

You must appreciate that there are people in the West that study history more than you do and that opinions that differ to your own are not the result of 'communist brainwashing'.

Rather than bust blood vessels writing missives about the lack of due process in China, chill out and spend some time reading about the history of the law in China. I think you will find the history quite fascinating.

Re:Huawei Trolls U.S. on Spy Claims with a Jab at Snowden by claplouder on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @04:14PM (#19267005)
I will address your last point since all the things before that are presumptious babble. Regardless of history of law in China, Chinese prison camps and internment camps are well-documented.
Re:Huawei Trolls U.S. on Spy Claims with a Jab at Snowden by dang on Sunday March 03, 2019 @07:54PM (#19298016)
Doing flamewars like you did in this thread will get you banned here, so please don't do it again.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Huawei Trolls U.S. on Spy Claims with a Jab at Snowden by DyslexicAtheist on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @05:23AM (#19262277)
judging from the Chinese I personally know I'm fairly sure they do!

fwiw not just China, many Europeans (and nearly all Russians) I know think this way too. I too fall into that trap from time to time (either lashing out at the US, or China as a result). It's all pointless waste of breadth in the end. The problem from my perception is that the US is a superpower which faces difficulty in this new information age covering all its crimes the way it did 30 or 50 years ago. News of wrong-doing (which all governments do) spread like wildfire and are amplified by foreign propaganda (whether it's this article or FVEY member Australia screaming its head off about the natsec risks posed by Huawei - "screaming on behalf of the US" to amplify the message).

The beauty of Wikileaks, and twitter is that we can see the real faces of the players and their agenda (in every country). And it isn't pretty at all. In US case, news about secret prisons, (black sites), gitmo, Abu-Ghraib etc are much more depressing (than if we learn about such things happening by the hands of China). Maybe because the US is the strongest player and has sold itself (through hollywood) as a liberator and we want to see them as good. Or even a role model ... Instead we got corporations and lobbyists controlling who gets to play war. People like Trump/Bolton/Pence don't exactly portray the US in a positive light. Not long ago it was Bush/Wolfowitz/Rice/Cheney (even worse) and Obama did nothing to curb surveillance and incarceration of minorities. Obama had an easy job in regard to foreign policy. All he had to do is "not be Bush" - that's how much Bush was hated in Europe.

I'm not having a go at the US. To me any nation state sucks. But if somebody starts a conversation with me today and has an American accent, I'm now quick trying to find out who they're backing - just so I know what kind of level of crazy it is that I'm dealing with.