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Re:1TB microSD cards by LAMike on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @11:30AM (#19255674)
Wish I could fill up the world's knowledge in 1TB and put it in a low cost tablet and deploy it to a billion underprivileged people in their language to spark the next Einstein, along with millions of other educated people who were able to improve their lives through data
Re:1TB microSD cards by hombre_fatal on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @11:34AM (#19255722)
Sounds about as popular as reading encyclopedias for fun. I bet I'd be hard pressed to find one person who genuinely reads Wikipedia as a hobby outside of the lone HNer who will claim "but I do."

I just don't think underprivileged people are so desperate for entertainment that they'll browse a 1TB SD card for morsels of wisdom.

Unless you meant you're going to pack it full of movies, music, and games, which actually sounds interesting.

Re:1TB microSD cards by bitzun on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @11:43AM (#19255836)
Anecdotally I know several people who "get lost" reading Wikipedia after looking up something on a whim, myself included. I find this comment a bit odd on a site people browse to stay informed on tech or tech-near subjects, which is not just movies and videogames and the like.
Re:1TB microSD cards by hombre_fatal on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @11:45AM (#19255865)
Compare HN to a 1TB SD card data dump.

I don't see the parallels.

HN is basically current events social media where people even admit they read the comments instead of TFA. And I think that getting lost on Wikipedia every few weeks is a far cry from browsing old shit on a 1TB SD card for fun in your ramshackle hovel with the family Android tablet.

To me it kinda comes off as the hilarious "wow, those poor people must be so bored watching their paint dry. Maybe I can interest them in something nobody does" wrapped up in some feel good idea about sharing knowledge.

Re:1TB microSD cards by vidarh on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @12:03PM (#19256091)
Lot's of people still go to the library, and many of them still check out books a century or more old.

A 1TB dump is not about expecting people to read all of it, it would be about getting a broad enough section of knowledge that the chances of a decent subset of it being of interest to a decent number of people.

And if the purpose is to "spark the next Einstein" as the comment suggested, it doesn't matter if 99% of them ends up being used for games, or sold, or used for all kinds of other things, if a tiny portion triggers an interest in learning and provides a good starting point.

Re:1TB microSD cards by logfromblammo on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @12:42PM (#19256491)
I call them "wikiwalks".

And I call an excessively tangential session a "wikiwalkabout", after the Australian walkabout tradition introduced to Americans by "Crocodile Dundee", or, more recently--the Locke character from "Lost". And boy, did that show have a letdown denoument. But I did like the colossus foot in the later episodes, because it reminded me of "Ozymandias", by P.B. Shelley. And did you know that he wrote that as his shot in a poetry duel with another poet--Horace Smith? (I guess he won, right?) Anyway, they picked that as a topic to honor a new museum exhibit of the Younger Memnon statue of Rameses II. Those British museum-goers were just mad for importing cultural artifacts from distant lands and never sending them back. Like the Elgin Marbles, from Greece. And when I think about Britain and Greece, I can't help thinking about their palace guards--Greece with their poofy-footed Evzones and Britain with their Beefeaters. And one of those Beefeaters is the Ravenmaster of the Tower of London--literally in charge of the welfare of the tower ravens. One of whom is apparently named Merlina, and is allowed additional latitude in how far she may fly, because she always comes back. And speaking of ravens and 19th-century poets, boy was Edgar Allen Poe a gothy li'l guy. He had a lot of inspirational company, though. Including Mary Shelley, wife of the aforementioned P.B., who won a 3-way ghost story duel between herself, her husband, and Lord Byron, who only managed to invent the vampire romance genre. So between the two of them and ol' Rameses II, we're almost all primed to scare the crap out of Laurel and Hardy with Universal Pictures monster movie staples: Frankenstein's monster, Dracula, and the Mummy. But we still need the Wolfman....

And hopefully you see how it works now. Before wikis existed, there was "Connections", by James Burke.

Re:1TB microSD cards by magduf on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @03:52PM (#19258207)
>the Locke character from "Lost". And boy, did that show have a letdown denoument.

Yep, that show was a poster-child for the phenomenon called "jumping the shark".

Re:1TB microSD cards by HeWhoLurksLate on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @02:52PM (#19266381)
"Connections" is one of the best TV shows I've ever seen (I have it on DVD) and I'm barely even an adult.
Re:1TB microSD cards by Ultramanoid on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @12:14PM (#19256213)
Agreed. I thought it was common knowledge ( from commenting with others around me ) that Wikipedia is a rabbit hole hard to escape sometimes.
Re:1TB microSD cards by noir_lord on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @12:42PM (#19256495)
If you added it up I reckon Wikipedia accounts maybe 10% of my total screen usage time.

Whenever I see or hear something I don't know about I go look it up on Wikipedia.

Re:1TB microSD cards by magduf on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @03:51PM (#19258199)
Agreed, I've done this too. It's not something I do every day by any means, but I certainly have gone down Wikipedia rabbit-holes from time to time.
Re:1TB microSD cards by mrguyorama on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @01:56PM (#19257202)
>I bet I'd be hard pressed to find one person who genuinely reads Wikipedia as a hobby outside of the lone HNer who will claim "but I do."

Sounding off: I was 12 years old, with a dialup connection and a barely functional windows 98 computer, in a shithole town with no future. I got lost reading into the history of video game consoles, and from there, the history of computing and processors in general. I wouldn't have gotten into computers (and therefore, software development and an actual escape from the shithole town) without my limited access to Wikipedia.

What you're missing is that I wasn't looking for entertainment, I was looking for knowledge. Plenty of people seek it out for it's own merits, and I would love if people in other shitholes were able to be introduced to their hobby or passion.

In fact, before wikipedia, we had an actual, 1970s vintage cheapo encyclopedia set, and I read those multiple times. After that, we had Encarta 2000 on CD-ROM. Thank goodness too, because I probably would have moved on to our dictionary from that point

Re:1TB microSD cards by HeWhoLurksLate on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @03:00PM (#19266428)
> What you're missing is that I wasn't looking for entertainment, I was looking for knowledge.

These are the exact words that I was looking for. Thank you.

Re:1TB microSD cards by matwood on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @12:24PM (#19256322)
> Sounds about as popular as reading encyclopedias for fun.

As a kid I did this for fun all the time. It was either them or read through the 100s of back issues of Nat Geo that my grand parents had.

Today I easily get lost in wikipedia, and need to make sure I do not waste too much time when I go in looking for a single fact.

Re:1TB microSD cards by RegBarclay on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @12:09PM (#19256152)
I...uh... used to browse print encyclopedias for fun when I was kid. I frequently ponder what I might have learned or accomplished as a kid when I had all the time in the world to go deep on an interest or a skill if I'd had YouTube and Wikipedia back then.
Re:1TB microSD cards by meruru on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @02:56PM (#19257773)
>I frequently ponder what I might have learned or accomplished

I find a lot harder to study on the internet with all its distractions, so I'd guess not much.

Re:1TB microSD cards by RegBarclay on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @03:25PM (#19258015)
True, there are many distractions, but I think I would have learned more guitar and taken on some bigger automotive repairs as a teen if I had access to all of the how-tos I have now.
Re:1TB microSD cards by atemerev on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @03:01PM (#19257832)
I have read encyclopedias for fun since I was 5. Still reading something from Wikipedia out of context almost every day.

Encyclopedias (yes, the dusty paper versions) enabled my development; I would be a completely different person if I didn’t have one when I was a child.

Re:1TB microSD cards by int_19h on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @05:16PM (#19258838)
Same thing here. I grew up on a mix of encyclopedias and sci-fi.
Re:1TB microSD cards by est31 on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @12:02PM (#19256085)
But I do!! I sometimes get bored and there isn't anything particularly interesting on hn so I open Wikipedia, think of a random thing, and read its article from start to end.
Re:1TB microSD cards by Smithalicious on Thursday February 28, 2019 @02:26AM (#19269639)
Many people read random Wikipedia articles for fun. I do it all the time, but even your average Joe does this. Random trivia and factoids are super popular in general, hence the large number of TV shows and books about them.

That's not to say that I think giving underprivileged people tablets with Wikipedia is a good idea though.

Re:1TB microSD cards by asteli on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @02:29PM (#19257513)
When I was a kid I had The Dorling Kindersley Visual Encyclopedia. It contained detailed drawings of plants, machines, spacecraft, artistic implements, motorcycles. I browsed that book at random, cover to cover, several times over (it's a 450 page book!). I credit it with being part of my inspiration to build things as a kid, and eventually become an engineer.
Re:1TB microSD cards by NickHoff on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @03:12PM (#19257918)
When I was in college and grad school, I used to read the mathematica documentation for fun. It's very well written.
Re:1TB microSD cards by wmeredith on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @03:52PM (#19258213)
I don’t think disappearing down a Wikipedia rabbit hole is as novel or boring as you make it sound.
Re:1TB microSD cards by Meing4im on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @01:42PM (#19257091)
Re:1TB microSD cards by Ultramanoid on Wednesday February 27, 2019 @03:14AM (#19261766)
Oh, good. I was actually looking for that right now. Got derailed looking up something on Wikipedia.
Re:1TB microSD cards by ebg13 on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @11:40AM (#19255796)
This happened already. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiReader

It didn't work. Probably because gadgets aren't the solution to unequal distribution of privilege.

Re:1TB microSD cards by mmastrac on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @11:45AM (#19255871)
I don't think WikiReader was every "widely distributed". As far as I remember from watching Techmoan's video on the topic, it was a consumer product with no market.

An alternative data point would be https://www.edutopia.org/blog/self-organized-learning-sugata... - the hole in the wall computer that showed giving access to the internet to poor children did have a dramatic effect.

Re:1TB microSD cards by rexpop on Saturday March 02, 2019 @11:17AM (#19289781)
Thank you for pointing this out. Most Hacker News comments are so wrapped up in their ideology--as evidenced by the response which reads your assertion as derisive.
Re:1TB microSD cards by LMYahooTFY on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @11:56AM (#19256025)
Your derision doesn't include the fact that there is no "the solution" for unequal distribution of privilege.

It's not clear that it "didn't work" either. Does that mean no one benefited from it anywhere ever?

Re:1TB microSD cards by mrybczyn on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @04:25PM (#19258421)
Google assistant or similar limited-AIs are a much more likely future. My kids already have (silly) conversations with google-assistant all the time.

An obvious extension would be google-ai-tutor. Inspired by _Diamond Age_.

Re:1TB microSD cards by owenversteeg on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @01:17PM (#19256855)
I had one, until I accidentally killed it - it was a great gadget. The $99 price point is what killed it, though.
Re:1TB microSD cards by jammmety on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @11:42AM (#19255822)
There is evidence that education technology can be effective, but perhaps the global community should be focussing on the hundreds of millions of children in school but not learning: https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2018/feb/02/h...

Software for getting children reading - in their own language first - is a great first step.

See the work being done by the Global Learning XPRIZE: https://www.xprize.org/prizes/global-learning

Re:1TB microSD cards by zaarn on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @02:51PM (#19257720)
If you don't include images, the world's knowledge should be able to fit into a 1TB µSD card; most fandom wikia's + random wikis from the web + wikipedia + wikiquote + wiktionary + wikibooks.

Text compressed well, especially if you have a lot of it and image files usually make up the bulk of any archival effort.

Re:1TB microSD cards by justfor1comment on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @02:52PM (#19257737)
Fun fact: You can download the entire set of articles on Wikipedia. The English set is roughly 25GB in size. At 1TB you could probably store 40 different languages in your tablet. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Data_dump_torrents#English_W...
Re:1TB microSD cards by int_19h on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @05:20PM (#19258876)
This is without images, which makes many articles that much less useful. A full point-in-time snapshot of English Wikipedia, with images, without videos, and with xz compression applied to all data, is on the order of 80 Gb.
Re:1TB microSD cards by brocket on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @01:21PM (#19256895)
This is kind of what non-profit Worldreader does, takes Kindles loaded up with books and ships them to schools in Africa. See https://www.worldreader.org/our-solution/products/blue-box/
Re:1TB microSD cards by int_19h on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @05:14PM (#19258816)
Re:1TB microSD cards by maxxxxx on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @01:57PM (#19257219)
You can't just provide information. People also need help to do something with it. Most of us won't become math experts by reading a pile of math books. You also need teachers who help processing the material.
Re:1TB microSD cards by vidanay on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @02:04PM (#19257288)
We should rename teachers to catalysts.
Re:1TB microSD cards by maxxxxx on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @02:15PM (#19257391)
True.
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Re:1TB microSD cards by sctb on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @01:18PM (#19256860)
> Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:1TB microSD cards by rexpop on Saturday March 02, 2019 @11:12AM (#19289765)
The word "unrelated" is awfully subjective. I could, of course, improve at spelling things out, but one never knows how much elementary illustration is necessary.

Of course, no one believes their own words to be flamebait. Makes the rule about as useful as "don't piss on the escalators"--no one who does it will be dissuaded by a sign.