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Re:EU elections 2019: We will only vote for politicians who ... by lostjohnny on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @10:22AM (#19254953)
In Italy that would mean vote for Salvini's Lega

An anti Euro party, anti EU, anti migration, pro Italian Exit, racist, omophobic, whose leader, who's also interior minister of Italy, has been wearing neo-fascist brands in public, hugging a drug dealer hooligan or recently visited a man who shot in the back an unarmed alleged thief romanian and killed him, declaring him a martyr who deserves pardon.

Or their allies, the 5 star movement, who are just incompetent jackasses.

Thanks, but NO thanks.

BTW they are only opposing to article 13 because Putin asked them to do so.

Italian original article: http://espresso.repubblica.it/plus/articoli/2019/02/21/news/...

In english: https://euobserver.com/foreign/144253

Re:EU elections 2019: We will only vote for politicians who ... by kriive on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @10:48AM (#19255220)
You are not required to pledge which politician you are going to vote in the next EU elections. The purpose for this is to facilitate contact between you and a local politician who has not publicly declared his/her vote intentions on article 13 yet. Your job is to convince him/her to vote against article 13.

I understand that the title is a little misleading, but come on!

P.S. I'm italian too.

Re:EU elections 2019: We will only vote for politicians who ... by lostjohnny on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @11:01AM (#19255333)
I will never vote for somebody who's opposing to a free EU

Besides, as a long time activist for internet freedom, I agree that something like article 13 is urgently needed.

There is no freedom without protection.

What EU is trying to do is to protect the small local EU actors against the tech giants from outside EU.

Re:EU elections 2019: We will only vote for politicians who ... by jononor on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @11:06AM (#19255381)
How is Article 13 helping small local EU actors?
Re:EU elections 2019: We will only vote for politicians who ... by lostjohnny on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @11:16AM (#19255515)
> Platforms run by startups (small and micro-sized businesses) are exempted from the law.

> Licenses that platforms take out cover uploads by their users, as long as they act non-commercially or “don’t generate significant revenues”

> Uploaders can complain about blocked uploads and request impartial, human review. (it means real justice, not Facebook's justice or Twitter justice or youTube's justice)

Believe it or not, the platforms are already liable in case of legal infringement, it's not really different from before.

Right now YouTube just get away with it because "we have too much content to check".

The small players don't because, well, they are too small to even get a chance to fight.

Re:EU elections 2019: We will only vote for politicians who ... by mcv on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @11:41AM (#19255808)
> Platforms run by startups (small and micro-sized businesses) are exempted from the law.

Are they? From what I understand, in the latest proposal they're not except. Or maybe only when they're less than 3 years old, which isn't very helpful.

The real problem is that the technology for this doesn't even exist, and if it exists, it exists only in the hands of Facebook and Google, forcing everybody else into their arms, giving Facebook and Google even more power.

> Licenses that platforms take out cover uploads by their users, as long as they act non-commercially or “don’t generate significant revenues”

So that means every single blog has to get licenses with an unlimited number of potential rights holders on the off chance that a commenter might quote something from them. That's completely unreasonable.

> Believe it or not, the platforms are already liable in case of legal infringement, it's not really different from before.

It is different, because after this passes, platforms are required to filter using technology that doesn't exist, and will probably err on simply blocking nearly everything from the EU, just to be safe.

Has any of the supporters of this law considered that in order to check all uploads against copyrighted material, every single platform needs access to a database containing every single copyright work? Nowhere have I seen any reasonable explanation of how this is supposed to work.

Re:EU elections 2019: We will only vote for politicians who ... by jononor on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @11:33AM (#19255719)
No, platforms run by startups are not exempted. The criteria for exception are:

    Available to the public for less than 3 years AND
    Annual turnover below €10 million AND
    Fewer than 5 million unique monthly visitors
So any "for-profit" site which is more than 3 years old will need to implement upload filters.
Re:EU elections 2019: We will only vote for politicians who ... by justinclift on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @01:38PM (#19257044)
So, the Open Source site we've been putting together in our spare time over the last few years (dbhub.io)... probably won't be exempted. Ugh.
Re:EU elections 2019: We will only vote for politicians who ... by jononor on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @03:18PM (#19257961)
It might, if it does not found as "for profit". Where this line will be drawn is unknown.
Re:EU elections 2019: We will only vote for politicians who ... by deogeo on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @12:18PM (#19256257)
> I will never vote for somebody who's opposing to a free EU

I would count anyone who supports article 13 as opposed to a free EU.

Re:EU elections 2019: We will only vote for politicians who ... by Cthulhu_ on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @11:16AM (#19255522)
Do you get the option to vote blank? I'd go for that instead; choosing the lesser evil (or greater in this case?) should never be mandatory.
Re:EU elections 2019: We will only vote for politicians who ... by lostjohnny on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @11:21AM (#19255571)
I'm not sure what I'm voting yet, but I'm sure I'll vote for a stronger EU, not a weaker EU.

The blank option is of course possible, but I do not like it.

I consider it the lesser evil.

Re:EU elections 2019: We will only vote for politicians who ... by piokoch on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @11:04AM (#19255365)
"BTW they are only opposing to article 13 because Putin asked them to do so" I am really curious why Putin would care about that? How this law affects Russia?
Re:EU elections 2019: We will only vote for politicians who ... by ocdtrekkie on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @11:09AM (#19255416)
FWIW, at least in the US, Russia has been seen promoting both sides of conflicts that get people riled up politically online. The goal may not be "to support Article 13", but "cause discord and strife regarding Article 13".
Re:EU elections 2019: We will only vote for politicians who ... by RobertoG on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @11:16AM (#19255513)
Putin is doing a really bad job, nobody cares.
Re:EU elections 2019: We will only vote for politicians who ... by mcv on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @11:42AM (#19255826)
He was pretty successful with the Brexit, though.
Re:EU elections 2019: We will only vote for politicians who ... by lostjohnny on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @11:08AM (#19255411)
Easy: they are winning the information warfare and don't want to be stopped.

Fake news and propaganda are one obvious target of article 13.

Re:EU elections 2019: We will only vote for politicians who ... by YinglingLight on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @11:15AM (#19255501)
You sold me
Re:EU elections 2019: We will only vote for politicians who ... by dexen on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @10:46AM (#19255204)
>they are only opposing to article 13 because Putin asked them to do so

The technical term for what happened here is "jumping the shark" [1]. Accusations of this or that worldview or tendencies is one thing, but injecting conspiracy theories into serious discussion is entirely different ballpark.

Especially when it's already well documented how terrible Article 13 is.

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[1] https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jumping%20th...

Re:EU elections 2019: We will only vote for politicians who ... by lostjohnny on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @11:00AM (#19255323)
It's not.

There are many proofs about contacts between Lega or 5 star movement and Putin's emissaries.

Unfortunately many of them are in Italian.

Just look for Jacobo Iacoboni articles, that might have been translated and published in english.

His book 'the experiment' is also worth reading.

Re:EU elections 2019: We will only vote for politicians who ... by mcv on Tuesday February 26, 2019 @11:44AM (#19255844)
I don't doubt that Lega and 5 star have a connection with Putin, but what is Putin's interest in opposing Article 13?

If anything, I'd expect him to support it, hoping to ruin European internet access.