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Re:Amazon cargo plane crashes in Texas by HGMIV on Sunday February 24, 2019 @09:58AM (#19238757)
Tragic. I wonder if this will reach the national news media. Also, I am curious as to what caused it.
Re:Amazon cargo plane crashes in Texas by dkarl on Sunday February 24, 2019 @10:32AM (#19238914)
They were flying through/around inclement weather when it happened, and that's what their last audio exchanges were about. No info yet on other factors that could have contributed.

https://twitter.com/texmexjunkie/status/1099422950548213761

Re:Amazon cargo plane crashes in Texas by gbil on Sunday February 24, 2019 @10:28AM (#19238893)
I'm in Europe and have read about this in local news sites since hours so I wonder why you think it will not reach US national news
Re:Amazon cargo plane crashes in Texas by eganist on Sunday February 24, 2019 @10:34AM (#19238921)
This is the front page on US CNN right now.

https://i.imgur.com/FqitEhc.jpg

And they typically elevate stories based on reader interest, so the fact that it's so thoroughly minimized (to the right, in red) shows how little anyone cares relative to the other stories.

Re:Amazon cargo plane crashes in Texas by entity345 on Sunday February 24, 2019 @10:55AM (#19239025)
Let's be realistic here, this is not (national) front page news.
Re:Amazon cargo plane crashes in Texas by close04 on Sunday February 24, 2019 @11:18AM (#19239118)
It's the first cargo plane crash with fatalities in 6 years. [0] Since this type of aircraft also carries passengers it's big news.

Commercial air travel in the US has a pretty enviable track record. As far as I am aware, outside of the fluke accident that killed one passenger last year when a piece of the engine went through the fuselage, the last fatalities were in 2009, Colgan Air Flight 3407. [1]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_accidents_to_com...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incident...

Re:Amazon cargo plane crashes in Texas by alistairSH on Sunday February 24, 2019 @12:27PM (#19239477)
Asiana Air 214 had 3 deaths in 2013. Pilot botched the landing and struck the tail on a seawall at San Francisco. Back portion of fuselage was ripped off, ejecting a handful of passengers and crew.

For US-based carriers, you are correct. Ignoring international carriers operating in the US strikes me as slightly disingenuous (though lots of people do it), as the international carriers should be subject to most of the same regulations as US carriers (when operating in the US). And as a consumer, I'm as likely to be on BA, KLM, or somebody else as I am United when flying internationally.

Re:Amazon cargo plane crashes in Texas by close04 on Sunday February 24, 2019 @12:53PM (#19239623)
It's harder to enforce regulation at the same level as for a domestic carrier. How easy is it to track the quality of pilot training, or aircraft maintenance parts half a world away?
Re:Amazon cargo plane crashes in Texas by inferiorhuman on Sunday February 24, 2019 @10:54PM (#19242777)
It's harder to enforce regulation at the same level as for a domestic carrier. How easy is it to track the quality of pilot training, or aircraft maintenance parts half a world away?

Not that much harder, you still need FAA approval to fly in the United States. For instance, Air India has run afoul of the FAA in the past and most Indonesian airlines have been banned from EU airspace at one time or another. Currently VietJet (I think) is working to get FAA approval to fly in the US.

The problem is that it's inappropriate to say "your lack of safety culture is a problem" before there are deaths. Korean Air had to hire submit to a bunch of training by Delta Airlines after a series of wrecks. It's not a particularly uncommon opinion to look at the culture of deference and respect for elders/seniors you see in East Asia as being detrimental to safety. I agree. The Asiana wreck showed this (there were three people in the cockpit, two of whom called for a go around, the other one ignored the calls). KLM showed what happens when you're unwilling to question a senior officer back in the 70s in Tenerife.

Re:Amazon cargo plane crashes in Texas by close04 on Monday February 25, 2019 @05:28AM (#19244555)
In theory the regulation is the same. By "enforcing" I meant making sure the practice matches the theory.

I remember finding out that if a pilot has a "conflict of personality" with another pilot they can just check a box on a form and they never end up on the same crew. This was after one difficult pilot bullied his young co-pilot until the latter made an error (failed to read the altitude) that cost the lives of all people on the plane.

The rule likely applies to every airline flying in the US. But actually enforcing it is a lot harder to enforce half way around the globe or somewhere where that safety culture you mention is different. There's a chance the punitive measures are also applied differently, where in the US someone might go to prison for failing to properly apply regulation.

Re:Amazon cargo plane crashes in Texas by inferiorhuman on Monday February 25, 2019 @01:45PM (#19248186)
> In theory the regulation is the same.

It's not though. Canada, for instance, has far more lax work time limits on its pilots. Guess who else has had problems at SFO? If you guessed Air Canada you'd be correct. There are plenty of regulations that are different for foreign carriers operating on American soil (it probably comes down to mutually agreed ICAO rules).

Re:Amazon cargo plane crashes in Texas by bluedino on Sunday February 24, 2019 @12:02PM (#19239343)
They didn't even use 'Amazon' in the headline, why would it get any clicks? They could have included a picture of a fireball or wreckage as well.

Instead, it some bullshit story involving hollywood actors

Re:Amazon cargo plane crashes in Texas by bluthru on Sunday February 24, 2019 @11:52AM (#19239285)
ABC lead with it on its evening news program yesterday.
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Re:Amazon cargo plane crashes in Texas by teraflop on Sunday February 24, 2019 @10:44AM (#19238970)
And your theory that two separate rare catastrophic failures happened on the same flight, at the same time, is based on what evidence?
Re:Amazon cargo plane crashes in Texas by throwawaymath on Sunday February 24, 2019 @11:19AM (#19239127)
To be fair, plane crashes are themselves quite rare. The person you're responding to doesn't have any evidence for those specific failures, but there must have been at least one instance of catastrophic failure or gross pilot error.

You're right they shouldn't be speculating based on nothing, it's just that multiple catastrophic failures aren't that outlandish if we know there's probably been at least one (i.e. the plane crashed).

Re:Amazon cargo plane crashes in Texas by jrockway on Sunday February 24, 2019 @11:47AM (#19239264)
That is typically why planes crash. If one thing goes wrong, it can probably be handled. If everything goes wrong, the results can be disastrous.

I am not sure what happened in this case. The plane was losing 7000 feet per minute at the end. I am not sure if a 767 in a stall loses altitude that quickly, but if weight shifted aft then the wings certainly wouldn't be generating lift. But would it not self-correct after a while? I have no idea.

Re:Amazon cargo plane crashes in Texas by supermw on Sunday February 24, 2019 @02:10PM (#19240037)
The fact that the plane crashed and that there’s no trace of oil slicks in the water.
Re:Amazon cargo plane crashes in Texas by stordoff on Sunday February 24, 2019 @06:21PM (#19241314)
That says nothing about the distribution of the packages. That's pure speculation.