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Re:U.S. Supreme Court Puts Limits on Police Power to Seize P... by saas_sam on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @01:19PM (#19210398)
No country on Earth affords equal rights to citizens and non-citizens. If this "terrifies" you, I encourage you to reflect on your fears and whether some of them may be disproportionate to reality.
Re:U.S. Supreme Court Puts Limits on Police Power to Seize P... by wool_gather on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @01:28PM (#19210536)
Parent said "protections" and referred to "due process", not the broader topic of "rights". So, yes, non-citizens don't, e.g., get to vote. On the other hand, if they get arrested, the same standards of evidence apply as for a citizen.
Re:U.S. Supreme Court Puts Limits on Police Power to Seize P... by Tomte on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @01:31PM (#19210564)
Germany provides many Basic Rights to everybody.

Others are only for citizens (and EU citizens, but via a strange legal method), but the most fundamental ones state "Everyone", not "every citizen".

Re:U.S. Supreme Court Puts Limits on Police Power to Seize P... by renholder on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @01:50PM (#19210769)
Same with Sweden. For example, Allemansrätten (Freedom to Roam) applies to alla människor (or all people), not just citizens.
Re:U.S. Supreme Court Puts Limits on Police Power to Seize P... by Tomte on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @02:05PM (#19210912)
Right. It's mentioned in every tourist guide I've seen about Sweden, and it is drawing outdoor types to the country.

Smart move. :-)

Re:U.S. Supreme Court Puts Limits on Police Power to Seize P... by DuskStar on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @02:08PM (#19210938)
So, in other words, Germany provides different rights for citizens and non-citizens. Which is what the GP was saying.

Not having basic protections for non-citizens would be rather worrying, but let's not act like the mere existence of a difference is worth freaking out about.

EDIT: To be clear, I'm not suggesting that Justice Thomas's concurrence not providing these protections to non-citizens would be a good thing. I'm just saying that 'non-citizens should have the same rights as citizens' isn't a position held by any country on the planet.

Re:U.S. Supreme Court Puts Limits on Police Power to Seize P... by sjjshvuiajhz on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @02:18PM (#19211023)
In the context of this particular case, it sounds like the ruling by the majority protects non-citizens from having their property taken by the police, while Justice Thomas’s concurrence would not.

In my opinion, not having your property taken unfairly by the police is more of a basic right everyone should enjoy, rather than a special right afforded to citizens like voting.

Re:U.S. Supreme Court Puts Limits on Police Power to Seize P... by ceejayoz on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @01:36PM (#19210630)
> No country on Earth affords equal rights to citizens and non-citizens.

That's fine, but affording no rights to non-citizens would be highly problematic. Some argue the Constitution doesn't protect the rights of illegal immigrants, for example, but it makes clear distinctions by using "persons" in some spots and "citizens" in others.

Persons have a right to due process. Citizens have a right to vote. The difference is very important.

Re:U.S. Supreme Court Puts Limits on Police Power to Seize P... by gowld on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @03:08PM (#19211488)
The Constitution is really quite bad at making things clear. Arbitrary rhetorical flourishes became the turning points of precendential cases, because quill and parchment made it hard to express ideas clearly.

The average ruling in a single minor case today is longer than the entire Constitution.

Re:U.S. Supreme Court Puts Limits on Police Power to Seize P... by microcolonel on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @02:09PM (#19210945)
> That's fine, but affording no rights to non-citizens would be highly problematic.

Which is why we have the status quo: the vast majority of rights enjoyed my U.S. citizens and residents are enjoyed by aliens, with some discretion.

Re:U.S. Supreme Court Puts Limits on Police Power to Seize P... by Retra on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @01:48PM (#19210742)
Everyone should have basic protections, or "fundamental" rights. Those are things that exist as a matter of basic human decency. Nonbasic rights are more like privileges, and they can apply discriminately.
Re:U.S. Supreme Court Puts Limits on Police Power to Seize P... by HillaryBriss on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @02:32PM (#19211172)
A relevant recent case: the 9th circuit allowed to stand a federal law that limits 2nd amendment rights for certain non citizens unlawfully present in the US:

"... The panel affirmed a conviction for possessing a firearm while being an alien unlawfully in the United States in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(5)(A)."

http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2019/01/08/15...