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Re:The Tragedy of Systemd [video] by upofadown on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @09:57AM (#19208270)
>Because most people against systemd will keep saying that the old init system was ok, ...

There isn't and wasn't hardly anyone saying that. It is and was well known that there were better things out there than the hacked up sysV style init systems produced by the various Linux distributions.

This is a common strawman that seems to get rolled out any time any discussion involves systemd.

Re:The Tragedy of Systemd [video] by antirez on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @10:48AM (#19208775)
A few of the authors of one of the Debian based distributions dropping systemd are friends of mine and all of them see things in that way, that the good old init is fine and there is no need to replace it. In the Facebook group where they use to stay the others I don't know first-hand seem to share this POV.
Re:The Tragedy of Systemd [video] by joepie91_ on Friday February 22, 2019 @05:31PM (#19229746)
Nearly every systemd-disliking person I've personally spoken to, has trotted out that exact line about sysV init being fine.

It's not just a strawman, unfortunately. I wish it were.

Re:The Tragedy of Systemd [video] by nickik on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @11:02AM (#19208932)
And yet basically no alternative to systemd was produced by any of those people.
Re:The Tragedy of Systemd [video] by bluejekyll on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @11:04AM (#19208952)
Does upstart not count as an alternative?
Re:The Tragedy of Systemd [video] by nickik on Thursday February 21, 2019 @04:57AM (#19215767)
Upstart is older then systemd and it was mainly developed by Ubuntu who dropped it. After that is continued to exist as a project but its basically not used anywhere and id didn't continue to develop all that much.
Re:The Tragedy of Systemd [video] by bluejekyll on Friday February 22, 2019 @01:03PM (#19227485)
I didn't mean to imply that it was built as a competitor to systemd, more that it exists as a different alternative. I'm aware of what happened with Ubuntu dropping it, and I think it's a shame, as I like it as a simple response to the problem.
Re:The Tragedy of Systemd [video] by loeg on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @01:54PM (#19210813)
Is upstart better in any way?
Re:The Tragedy of Systemd [video] by sliken on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @11:42PM (#19214587)
Upstart doesn't include implementations on NTP, DNS, DHCP, or anything that opens a network port. It does however allow parallel boots with dependency analysis for quick boots.

Systemd on the other hand seems to be trying to take over syslog, ntpd, dhcpd, named, and related with generally poorer implementations. Feature creep seems constant with systemd, for no particularly good reason.