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Re:Why I hate the weekends (2017) by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Saturday February 16, 2019 @04:58PM (#19181191)
> You need to save a few million dollars to retire with $40-$80k in investment income.

You need a lot less than a few million dollars if you're willing to live at a more reasonable retirement income. I mean, you won't have to commute anymore, or buy all those services that did things you never had time for, or pay for daycare, or live in an overpriced city, etc. Hell if you move to a country with a lower cost of living, as you suggested, you'll need even less.

You would be surprised how little of what you consider "necessities" of your lifestyle you actually need, or miss when they are gone.

Re:Why I hate the weekends (2017) by nathan_f77 on Saturday February 16, 2019 @05:09PM (#19181251)
A conservative "safe withdrawal rate" is about 3.5%, so you need around $1.1M invested in index funds in order to have $40k income per year.

I'm living in Thailand, and $40k goes a long way. Many people would be happy with this lifestyle, but it's not quite enough for me, and I wouldn't want to spend the rest of my life here. I'd much rather have $80-100k and live somewhere like Toronto. But to each their own.

Re:Why I hate the weekends (2017) by photoguy112 on Saturday February 16, 2019 @08:37PM (#19182091)
I'm in Japan. Last year I remitted $16k. My residence is paid for and I spent an additional $12k cash. In total, I live on 28k / year. Add in a residence if I had to rent, down where I am it's $500/mo for a 3 br "home". It's really a shanty by western standards but enough for me. On 34k if you rented, one can live comfortably in Southern Japan. Of course, this is not possible without a valid visa. I have lived in Midwest, California, Washington and visited most of US. I would still choose to live here than anywhere else. I think most Americans who have not done enough travel do not seriously consider living outside of their country (if they had the chance) just due to a mindset that America is the best place to be (hint: it's not).
Re:Why I hate the weekends (2017) by rbatty on Saturday February 16, 2019 @09:10PM (#19182218)
But you said it yourself: you need a visa. It's not simply a question of whether an American or anyone else finds it satisfying to live in another country. The government has to want/permit you to be there. And in the case of Japan in particular, that's a difficult situation to navigate, especially if you are looking for a place to live for your retirement years.
Re:Why I hate the weekends (2017) by PascLeRasc on Sunday February 17, 2019 @11:44AM (#19185310)
Can I ask what city in Japan you're in? I wouldn't expect it to be that cheap.
Re:Why I hate the weekends (2017) by lukas099 on Monday February 18, 2019 @03:11PM (#19193944)
I live in the DC area on $20k a year, and I don't feel like I'm missing anything.

It took me a while to build this frugal-yet-fulfilling lifestyle, but it was so worth it.

Re:Why I hate the weekends (2017) by koheripbal on Sunday February 17, 2019 @12:10PM (#19185456)
This completely ignores inflation.

By spending that 3.5% on living, you are actually losing a portion of your wealth each year.

In order to remain "flat", you need to be earning 7%, in order to spend 3.5%.

...but of course, this also completely ignores the risk. Assets don't give 7% for free. The investor is accepting the risk - that's the whole point. So in reality, you need to be earning closer to 10% in order to mitigate the risk of a default on those assets.

Living off of investment income is almost never really winning battle.

Re:Why I hate the weekends (2017) by nathan_f77 on Sunday February 17, 2019 @12:20PM (#19185529)
No, the safe withdrawal rate of 3.5% does account for inflation. The idea is that the S&P 500 should return around 7-8% per year on average. Lots of information about this in the "r/financialindependence" FAQ [1], particularly the "What about inflation?" section [2]. These results are based on the Trinity Study [3], which is also known as "the 4 percent rule." 3.5% is a more realistic withdrawal rate for a very long retirement, and 3% would be very conservative. 2.5% would almost guarantee that you die with more assets than you started with.

It's also very important to decrease your expenses during a market crash, and to never panic sell. You could also have some other income streams like rental properties, or software businesses.

If you just want to hold cash and bonds, retire at 30, and expect to live until you're 100, then you need to save up 70 * 100000 = $7 million, and spend $100k per year until you die. (Although $100k in 2089 will be worth a lot less than 2019.)

And who knows, maybe longevity treatments and gene therapies will become widely available in the next 70 years, and people might live until they are 200. Or even indefinitely. If you think that might be a possibility, then you should definitely invest in the stock market instead of keeping everything in cash. There is such a thing as "too little risk" when it comes to investing.

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/financialindependence/wiki/faq

[2] https://www.reddit.com/r/financialindependence/wiki/faq#wiki...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_study

Re:Why I hate the weekends (2017) by screye on Saturday February 16, 2019 @07:47PM (#19181924)
Honestly, I am surprised that by now, places in SEA/ India haven't become retirement homes for low savings westerners.

2 people can easily live lavish life in India (something like Goa or a nice hill station) for ~$2000 a month.

Healthcare is not as bad, especially in urban locations. People speak English well, and it isn't that far, given that people drive ~10 hours across states to meet family anyways.

If no one else steals this 'idea' , I might just think of implementing it 20 years down the line.

Re:Why I hate the weekends (2017) by muzani on Saturday February 16, 2019 @09:01PM (#19182184)
Australians have been retiring in Malaysia for a while. Good food, great climate, and the professionals can find easy employment or consulting gigs if they get bored (let's face it, nobody really wants to fully retire). Living costs are moderate, but far cheaper than something like Sydney. Healthcare and dental really is world class and plenty of people speak English well.

$2000/month here is about the salary of a senior PHP engineer with 15 years experience, so it'll take you far.

Re:Why I hate the weekends (2017) by rtpg on Saturday February 16, 2019 @08:19PM (#19182015)
Moderately high personal wealth does not translate into having nice public spaces as well.

No amount of personal wealth makes a Texas suburb walkable. No amount of personal wealth makes it possible to skateboard on Tokyo sidewalks. No amount of personal wealth makes the downtown park you live next to actually be nice.

Beyond that, most places in SEA have caught on and if you have money, the society around you will figure out how to charge you enough to get it from you, especially if you're used to a pretty high standard of living