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Re:My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answeri... by pixl97 on Friday February 15, 2019 @01:58PM (#19173655)
The problem here is you are falling in the same trap as the Google engineers here.

Why would ______ want to do _______ with their ______ device?

You can make a locked down device that only does a very limited subset of functions, but you really should make that known to the user before hand. "This device requires access to $X servers to function".

If you have secret requirements that go far beyond user expectations, expect that your users might get pissy about it.

Re:My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answeri... by hannasanarion on Friday February 15, 2019 @04:55PM (#19175077)
The fact that we got six years into the chromecast world before anybody complained is a pretty good indicator that, no, in fact, most people who want to watch youtube on their TVs don't configure their firewalls to block 8.8.8.8.
Re:My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answeri... by Sendotsh on Friday February 15, 2019 @10:01PM (#19176761)
It has actually been a common issue for many years, including for myself, but the rest of us don't have the social clout for it to make it to HN front page.

These days you have no chance of getting any form of tech support or even issue acknowledgement unless you have a large follower count online.

Re:My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answeri... by scbrg on Friday February 15, 2019 @05:44PM (#19175436)
Perhaps the hordes of previous complainers, unlike Paul Vixie, complained to the black hole that is Google support, so we never heard of it :)
Re:My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answeri... by kllrnohj on Friday February 15, 2019 @07:25PM (#19176075)
Google isn't exactly secret about the fact that Chromecast connects to Google's data centers.

Especially if you're using it to, say, watch YouTube, as Paul Vixie was.

Chromecast connecting to Google is not a "secret requirements that go far beyond user expectations." Expecting a cloud-connected product to continue to work when you've randomly blacklisted IPs that belong to that company is, however, an unreasonable expectation.

Re:My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answeri... by markstos on Friday February 15, 2019 @09:38PM (#19176665)
We expect that Chromecast connects to Google's servers when you are using Google services. By forcing you to use their DNS service, they can track every non-Google DNS query you make as well, which is all tied to your IP address. It is a form of surveillance of everything that you do on your Chromecast, for which there is no explicit consent.

https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/62273/can-dns-s...

It is similar in some ways to Facebook tracking users across the internet through Facebook "Like" and "Connect" buttons across the internet, even when the user's aren't on the Facebook site and did not opt-in to having their browsing tracked by Facebook outside of Facebook.

Re:My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answeri... by kllrnohj on Saturday February 16, 2019 @01:13PM (#19179974)
> By forcing you to use their DNS service, they can track every non-Google DNS query you make as well, which is all tied to your IP address.

It's a Chromecast. You literally can't make non-Google queries on it at all in the first place.

So what, exactly, is the privacy concern here? What specific flow of events does the Chromecast using 8.8.8.8 impact your privacy?

Re:My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answeri... by markstos on Sunday February 17, 2019 @06:44AM (#19183967)
Chromecast allows casting any tab, with any URL, not just Google properties.
Re:My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answeri... by kllrnohj on Monday February 18, 2019 @06:35PM (#19195490)
Which is a video stream. The Chromecast itself isn't doing squat but playing a video.
Re:My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answeri... by nofunsir on Friday February 15, 2019 @08:42PM (#19176444)
"cloud-connected" Hacker News is not the best* place for nebulous cumulonimbus commentary.
Re:My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answeri... by scarface74 on Friday February 15, 2019 @05:20PM (#19175262)
If you want a general purpose computer to serve as your set top box, buy a general purpose computer.