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Re:Don’t Get Clever with Login Forms by ocdtrekkie on Friday February 15, 2019 @12:25PM (#19172769)
There is no reason anyone needs 100 different passwords and/or those passwords to rotate. This is terrible advice, you don't need it and you shouldn't do it.

As of current, haveibeenpwned hasn't found any breaches connected to my current email address, which I switched to around three years ago. Which is to highlight: Most breached password data is really, really old. A surprising number of breaches come via an email address I was only signing up for accounts on more than six or seven years ago.

Furthermore, most of your accounts don't matter. Things like your email, your bank, your web hosting, need to be secured well. An account you used once to sign up for a newsletter does not. Don't save your credit card info in every single web store you log into, and your security on those accounts don't matter either.

Focus your security and your password uniqueness and complexity on accounts that matter, and stop caring about ones that don't. People have reached security overload after being told all of their accounts must be secured, and then offloaded the problem to a bad solution.

Re:Don’t Get Clever with Login Forms by elfakyn on Friday February 15, 2019 @12:41PM (#19172914)
That's dangerous advice. Having access to some (or a combination of) "less-secure" accounts could allow an attacker to get enough personal information to escalate privileges through reset fields, social engineering in customer support, or just plain weird interactions between accounts.

Besides, most people have enough "important" logins (social media, email, amazon, bank(s), computer, cloud accounts) and some have lots that there's no good reason not to use a password manager. Even with 6 passwords to remember (plus a 7th for all the non-sensitive accounts), it's hard to make them unique enough, and if you end up with a system it's pretty easy to infer the rest of the passwords.

Imagine this scenario: you are an average person. You have 90 accounts each requiring a password [1]. 5 of them you deem sensitive enough to have their own password and 85 of them share a password. One of those 85 is compromised. Now you'll spend all day stressing out whether one of those 85 accounts, in hindsight, is actually something you care about at least to some extent. Desperately trying to remember whether there were any other accounts that you should've secured better. (Anecdotally, this has happened to me before a password manager: I had different logins for important stuff and the same for non-important stuff; it's also happened to most of my friends at some point.)

Or you can use a password manager. Once you do have a password manager, you can go ahead and have unique random logins for everything, there's no extra effort needed. 2FA is another important security measure.

In regards to rotation, I agree, and NIST doesn't even recommend forced rotation anymore[2].

[1] https://blog.dashlane.com/infographic-online-overload-its-wo...

[2] https://pages.nist.gov/800-63-3/sp800-63b.html#memsecretver

Re:Don’t Get Clever with Login Forms by guitarbill on Friday February 15, 2019 @12:49PM (#19172989)
It's a good point, things like forcing rotation are the worst. It doesn't prevent re-using other passwords, is hugely frustrating.

This is also true for complex password patterns. It's so dumb. Don't make me use special characters, period. Otherwise it's going to be a dollar sign at the end, which is a common pattern, so now the theoretical complexity gains are vastly reduced.

It's also frustrating when I've entered more than the required amount of characters (sometimes a lot more) and your stupid form validation still insists I need more character classes. Why exactly? Stop making password rules suck, if they do, I'll assume your infosec department is completely useless.

Re:Don’t Get Clever with Login Forms by wipash on Friday February 15, 2019 @12:43PM (#19172936)
But with a password manager, you don't need to make that distinction. If it's trivial to make all passwords unique, why not do it?
Re:Don’t Get Clever with Login Forms by ocdtrekkie on Friday February 15, 2019 @01:06PM (#19173155)
The issue is that password managers are a huge weak point and a significant compromise in your security. Generally password managers have some sort of master password, which unlocks access to all of your other accounts. Why bother setting different passwords for every account if one password unlocks them all anyhow?

Password manager security flaws are also a dime a dozen, and none of them have been without significant flaws at some point or another. None of them are operated by companies with an ironclad reputation for security. And if you don't want to have a lot of issues going from computer to computer to phone, you more than likely will do what many password managers suggest, which is storing your password data in the cloud, which is even more laughable, because now we've secured all of your accounts with a single password, and then put the data that password unlocks out on the Internet where anyone can try to crack it.

Which is to say, if you really want to manage your passwords, don't use a password manager. Use a scrap of paper in your wallet, or a notebook, or a sticky note. Because all of those are vastly less attackable than a password manager, because they require physical access or physical proximity and probably the will and risk of accosting your person to get. Password managers, on the other hand, are somehow both the stupidest security idea we've ever come up with, and the thing that every "security expert" currently recommends ad nauseum. I don't understand it at all.

Now, sure, all those accounts you don't care about, if you want to randomize their passwords and store them in a password manager and say it's "better" than using a handful of common low security passwords, more power to you. I'm going to say you're wasting your time and effort (and probably money), but you're not hurting anything.

The problem is when you entrust that same password manager to your high security accounts like your email, your banking, etc. Accounts that deserve far more security than a single point of failure with some cloud app written by some company that doesn't do much else.

Re:Don’t Get Clever with Login Forms by FabHK on Friday February 15, 2019 @01:18PM (#19173283)
Because that one password is pretty long and secure, and you enter it only on your own machine, into one known binary, no-where else.

It strikes me as sensible advice.

Connecting your password manager to the browser for auto-fill already compromises the security, granted, but what other flaws have there been otherwise?

Re:Don’t Get Clever with Login Forms by ArrayList on Friday February 15, 2019 @03:15PM (#19174301)
I actually totally agree with you. It's insanity. I never made the "jump" to LastPass/BitWarden/etc. because it always left a bad taste in my mouth to have one password that would crack my entire online presence.