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Re:Amazon's Home Surveillance Chief Declared War on “Dirtbag... by mimixco on Thursday February 14, 2019 @03:41PM (#19165777)
You have to ask yourself, why is a retail company (which started as an online bookstore) in the least bit interested in the police business?

This is a disturbing trend. It seems that, as tech companies get larger, they are giving themselves over to the surveillance state with ever more enthusiasm.

Re:Amazon's Home Surveillance Chief Declared War on “Dirtbag... by tj-teej on Thursday February 14, 2019 @03:45PM (#19165817)
I would think it's to improve reliability of their deliveries. I see why you would be concerned, but retail stores have had security guards for my whole lifetime...
Re:Amazon's Home Surveillance Chief Declared War on “Dirtbag... by mc32 on Thursday February 14, 2019 @04:00PM (#19165960)
Yep. Both Fed-Ex and Amazon have an interest in preventing theft as well as fraud (false claims of non-delivery), and they see a business opportunity in addition to shrinkage minimization with the perk of customer psychological comfort to boot.
Re:Amazon's Home Surveillance Chief Declared War on “Dirtbag... by mimixco on Thursday February 14, 2019 @05:20PM (#19166632)
Give me a break. This is not about shoplifting in retail stores! Amazon is now helping cops surveille people in their own homes via Alexa and Ring.
Re:Amazon's Home Surveillance Chief Declared War on “Dirtbag... by mc32 on Thursday February 14, 2019 @05:23PM (#19166652)
Theft = vernacular porch piracy. Prevention = happy shoppers. Happy shoppers = more sales. More sales = happy company.
Re:Amazon's Home Surveillance Chief Declared War on “Dirtbag... by mimixco on Thursday February 14, 2019 @05:37PM (#19166752)
You're naive if you think this about package theft. Show me one place where that is even mentioned on Ring's website or docs.
Re:Amazon's Home Surveillance Chief Declared War on “Dirtbag... by mc32 on Thursday February 14, 2019 @05:41PM (#19166787)
Not sure about their marketing, but I know how and why people use it in their apartments and homes.

If curious get on one of the mentioned neighborhood apps, see how people use these devices: package theft, suspicious people/cars, vagrants/unstable folks, public disturbance (skaboarders scratching cars, etc.,) early hours canvassing by thieves, etc...

Re:Amazon's Home Surveillance Chief Declared War on “Dirtbag... by mimixco on Thursday February 14, 2019 @05:42PM (#19166791)
Shoppers do not care about package theft or any other loss- making properties of a business.

Show me one place where package theft is even mentioned on Ring's website or in their doc. Is isn't.

It naive to think that Amazon is worried about package theft and that's why they bought Ring. Too many other tech companies have signed up for the surveillance economy for that to be true.

What's the real reason?

Re:Amazon's Home Surveillance Chief Declared War on “Dirtbag... by Nasrudith on Thursday February 14, 2019 @06:06PM (#19166951)
Loss aversion is a real thing - people can and do decide to go brick and mortar because of being afraid of package theft. It isn't realistically a big issue but people care about it a lot.

As for why I would guess wanting better rates from turning bits to cash.

Re:Amazon's Home Surveillance Chief Declared War on “Dirtbag... by masonic on Friday February 15, 2019 @05:17AM (#19169778)

  Shoppers do not care about package theft
Collectively, shoppers pay for all package theft.
Re:Amazon's Home Surveillance Chief Declared War on “Dirtbag... by mimixco on Friday February 15, 2019 @09:54AM (#19171343)
That is true. But we also pay for pensions, profits, advertising, union-busting, pollution, and countless other things we may not want to pay for.

Ultimately, the consumer only cares about what product he is getting and what price he has to pay. How the company juggles its losses or where they come from is of no interest to the product purchaser.

Re:Amazon's Home Surveillance Chief Declared War on “Dirtbag... by tracker1 on Thursday February 14, 2019 @05:30PM (#19166701)
Easy.. package theft alone probably costs Amazon millions every year. If more customers have a doorbell camera that captures motion activity, more thieves can be caught, and the less theft will happen. It's actually a very good pairing.
Re:Amazon's Home Surveillance Chief Declared War on “Dirtbag... by mimixco on Thursday February 14, 2019 @05:36PM (#19166743)
That's a facile answer and doesn't explain why so many other big tech companies are signing up for the survelliance economy.

Package theft is a drop in the bucket for Amazon and can't amount to more than the equivalent losses from shoplifting if they ran retail stores.

Re:Amazon's Home Surveillance Chief Declared War on “Dirtbag... by tracker1 on Monday February 18, 2019 @02:54PM (#19193775)
I was only answering for the Amazon case... the rest comes down to two things, in terms of home security, it's mostly driven by the consumer demand. As to general surveillance at larger levels part of it is maximizing the fractions of a penny. I mean, if you can sell a piece of data for a fraction of a cent, but have 50 billion fractions to sell, that's a pretty big hunk of change.

There are also those genuinely concerned over $STATE$ security and working towards that as a goal.

I'm not condoning or supporting or rejecting for that matter any of the above. But it really doesn't take too much to see several reasons why this stuff happens.

As to the losses in relation to retail stores... retail stores generally have higher margins, and they still hire security staff and put up cameras.

Re:Amazon's Home Surveillance Chief Declared War on “Dirtbag... by CryptoPunk on Thursday February 14, 2019 @06:05PM (#19166944)
Package theft affects their margins. They will have a strong financial motive to minimize it. No conspiracy theory required.

It's also a moral outrage, when a subset of the population blatantly preys on others, and perpetrating the vast majority of thefts while constituting a tiny proportion of the population. There needs to be a strong response to these types of people for the safety of everyone else.

Re:Amazon's Home Surveillance Chief Declared War on “Dirtbag... by xenph on Thursday February 14, 2019 @04:20PM (#19166152)
Some of the most sophisticated crime labs in the US are owned by large retail entities. https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/04/csi-w...