Re:Hungarian PM: no tax for Hungarian women with four or mor...
by kmlx on Monday February 11, 2019 @12:29PM
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this is part of a wider effort across South-East Europe:
"Hungary, like its central and eastern European neighbours Slovenia, Croatia, Slovakia and Serbia, have some of the lowest fertility rates in the world, while many educated workers have sought higher salaries further west. According to the United Nations, almost all of the countries with the fastest shrinking populations are in eastern Europe. Hungary’s population is projected to decline 15 per cent by 2050, from 9.7m in 2017 to 8.3m."
"Other countries in the region have also offered incentives to raise the birth rate. In Poland, the conservative Law and Justice party rose to power in 2015 with an expensive pledge giving 500 zlotys (£100) a month, about one-third of the net minimum wage, for every second and subsequent child. The initiative costs more than 1 per cent of Poland’s GDP
Last spring, Serbia, which loses 30,000 people annually, introduced a 500m dinar (£3m) fund to provide payments worth 12,000 dinar for families with three children and 18,000 dinar for the fourth."
Re:Hungarian PM: no tax for Hungarian women with four or mor...
by newyankee on Monday February 11, 2019 @04:45PM
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With the level of education and the reasons most women in a country like Hungary do not have a lot of children, i doubt this amount would make any dent. Although i am unaware of local complexities such amounts only encourage breeding amongst the poorer sections which should not be encouraged.
At the risk of being flagged, it true though that a certain religion has much higher fertility rate than the others and have observed it in very high population countries in South Asia. One, if not the main reason for poverty
Re:Hungarian PM: no tax for Hungarian women with four or mor...
by xiphias2 on Monday February 11, 2019 @12:47PM
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Even though Hungary has a great, safe, fun culture,
young people who can are running away to Western Europe because of the huge corruption that's going on in Hungary compared to the size of the country.
Don't let the strongly manipulated voting system that favors villages instead of representation in the number of people make you think that Orban is popular. Many people outside Budapest still like him, but more and more people come to realize that power concentrated in one hand is dangerous.
As for me I'm a big believer in decentralization (Bitcoin) helping to solve some of the political problems, but of course there's still a lot to do to undo the centralization that's going on in the judicial system and the media.
Re:Hungarian PM: no tax for Hungarian women with four or mor...
by ilovetux on Monday February 11, 2019 @12:53PM
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I have not been following any news related to Hungary or really anything going on in Eastern Europe, so when I saw the headline I did not understand the motivating factors. I thought that this might be a progressive policy to help out women with a high number of children (and it is), but it is not motivated through benevolence as I thought rather it is a protectionist policy aimed at increasing their population. I was very surprised.
Re:Hungarian PM: no tax for Hungarian women with four or mor...
by alephx on Monday February 11, 2019 @09:52PM
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As I Mexican I am only surprised by how building a wall came to be this hate crime by the USA. The majority of Mexicans support building a wall on our southern border and the distrust of immigrants is highly warranted. I can only see that the US wants one of their own as reasonable. Plus, if the militarization of the US-Mexico border leads to decreased drug and sex trafficking it would be a net positive for Mexico. Popular opinion is that the only problem it would bring would be that a lot of this immigrants would (unlawfully, of course) choose to make Mexico their home. People are shocked that there has been quite a bit of support for immigrants by our government when we have plenty of issues with our own people (lack of jobs, opportunities, very low quality education, famine) to be concerned for the welfare of strangers. Plus the immigrants reputation is earned; South American gangs have become a scourge of our cities outskirts.
"Hungary, like its central and eastern European neighbours Slovenia, Croatia, Slovakia and Serbia, have some of the lowest fertility rates in the world, while many educated workers have sought higher salaries further west. According to the United Nations, almost all of the countries with the fastest shrinking populations are in eastern Europe. Hungary’s population is projected to decline 15 per cent by 2050, from 9.7m in 2017 to 8.3m."
"Other countries in the region have also offered incentives to raise the birth rate. In Poland, the conservative Law and Justice party rose to power in 2015 with an expensive pledge giving 500 zlotys (£100) a month, about one-third of the net minimum wage, for every second and subsequent child. The initiative costs more than 1 per cent of Poland’s GDP
Last spring, Serbia, which loses 30,000 people annually, introduced a 500m dinar (£3m) fund to provide payments worth 12,000 dinar for families with three children and 18,000 dinar for the fourth."
from: https://www.ft.com/content/56a5c36a-2d68-11e9-8744-e7016697f...
At the risk of being flagged, it true though that a certain religion has much higher fertility rate than the others and have observed it in very high population countries in South Asia. One, if not the main reason for poverty
Don't let the strongly manipulated voting system that favors villages instead of representation in the number of people make you think that Orban is popular. Many people outside Budapest still like him, but more and more people come to realize that power concentrated in one hand is dangerous.
As for me I'm a big believer in decentralization (Bitcoin) helping to solve some of the political problems, but of course there's still a lot to do to undo the centralization that's going on in the judicial system and the media.