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Re:The Cost of Dirty Money by jokoon on Saturday February 09, 2019 @02:26PM (#19124072)
You're just serving the libertarian agenda, and I'm having none of it.

Money is not freedom. Money is a tool to trade goods. I was talking about how a minority of fraudsters are hiding their money to not be taxed, and to escape scrutiny, and you're arguing for less government.

Re:The Cost of Dirty Money by ur-whale on Saturday February 09, 2019 @02:50PM (#19124196)
>You're just serving the libertarian agenda, and I'm having none of it

You appear to be operating on faith (smells libertarian therefore it's bad) rather than arguments, I guess having a conversation is pointless.

Another thing: there is a vast difference between hiding money to avoid the taxman (something that falls under the "civil disobedience" category, especially when said taxman is exerting unchecked power) and hiding money that was earned committing crimes that actually hurt people (slave trafficking, dictators, etc...).

But the standard discourse served to the unwashed masses is more than happily co-mingling the two issues because it once again is very useful in scaring the flock straight.

Re:The Cost of Dirty Money by jokoon on Sunday February 10, 2019 @02:39AM (#19126762)
> there is a vast difference between

Both are illegal.

You're trying to equate a major crime with civil disobedience. Big financial interests are far from the public interest, so I can't follow your argument of civil disobedience.

> taxman is exerting unchecked power

There are so many who argue about money corrupting politics, inequality rising, but I'm not trying to have this argument with you. I just want to tell you that you're exposing yourself as defending big financial interests, against the public interests.

I've already had some back and forth with people like you who try to defend the act of evading taxes, and I can warn you: you will never convince me. Let's agree to disagree.

Re:The Cost of Dirty Money by ur-whale on Sunday February 10, 2019 @09:55AM (#19127973)
>I've already had some back and forth with people like you who try to defend the act of evading taxes, and I can warn you: you will never convince me. Let's agree to disagree.

If your debating strategy is to self-proclaim as close-minded and incapable of intelligent conversation, far be it from me to try and stop you :)

And anyways, at some point, if you dig deep enough in people's politics, you always hit the same bedrock: either you're a collectivist and essentially an enemy of individual freedom, or you always give priority to individual freedom before that of the group.

I suspect it's a genetic thing, and you are correct: trying to change one's genetic makeup is pointless via argumentation is basically pointless. Born a sheep, always a sheep.

Re:The Cost of Dirty Money by jokoon on Sunday February 10, 2019 @02:53PM (#19129613)
If you really think that things are so black and white, then so be it, don't need to tell people they're sheeps.